Pristine Spitfires NOT found in Burma...

If it carried an April 1st date, it would make it easier NOT to believe in it... Definitely sounds WAAAAY too good to be true!!! :p
 
Stargazer2006 said:
If it carried an April 1st date, it would make it easier NOT to believe in it...

Was my first thought, too, but if so, it seems to have been planned and organized very well,
to make several media believ in it.
IF it's true, we have to wait, what actually will come to light, because I think, after nearly 70 years
in the tropical ground, even if "covered in waxed and greased paper, with all seals tarred", the remains
can be in less, than perfect state.... although :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PjLpqWFFEo&feature=related !
 
It does sound too good to be true, but then I'm still finding it hard to believe that they found a Battle of Britain veteran Hurricane hidden away in India.
 
How bizarre. Cameron and a load of arms dealers go east to flog Typhoons and come back with twenty Spitfires.

Reminds me of that old joke about twenty Rothmans and a box of chocolates.

Chris
 
CJGibson said:
How bizarre. Cameron and a load of arms dealers go east to flog Typhoons and come back with twenty Spitfires.

Reminds me of that old joke about twenty Rothmans and a box of chocolates.

Chris


I guess the Burmese 'salesmen' were just better... ;D
 
Pristine Spitfires Found in Burma
Posted by Christina Mackenzie 2:22 PM on May 07, 2012

Source:
http://www.aviationweek.com/Blogs.aspx?plckBlogId=Blog:27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7&plckPostId=Blog:27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7Post:95699545-5db9-4a57-b30a-575755c46991

This story is not about JSF, or Rafale or Typhoon or Gripen but about one of the world's legendary planes: the Spitfire, a large number of which – up to 120 – were found in almost pristine condition in Burma last February and are now going to be returned to the UK.

Thanks to an English farmer's dogged determination and willingness to spend a considerable amount of his own money, the Griffon-engined Mark XIVs Spitfires have been located and British Prime Minister David Cameron has secured a deal that will allow them to be dug up and shipped back to Britain almost 67 years after they were hidden more than 40-feet below ground.

The aircraft were discovered in February by English farmer David Cundall, 62, who has spent 15 years, travelled 12 times to Burma and spent more than £130,000 in his quest. Using radar imaging technology Cundall found the aircraft buried at a former Royal Air Force base. They had been shipped to Burma and then travelled by train to the RAF base during the war, but were never used because by the end of the war they were nearing obsolescence. Unwilling to leave high-performance, if out-dated, aircraft in a country with an uncertain future, Britain’s South East Asia command decided to bury them. As many as 120 Spitfires, original cost about £12,000, may have been disposed of in this way.

“They were just buried there in transport crates,” Cundall told the Daily Telegraph which published the story today (May 7). “They were waxed, wrapped in greased paper and their joints tarred. They will be in near perfect condition.”

The £500,000 excavation of the planes is being funded by the UK-based Boultbee Flight Academy and will start imminently.

You can read the full story with all the details here.
http://movies.netflix.com/WiPlayer?movieid=70128730&trkid=1660
 
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,14948.0.html

Can a moderator merge the two topics?

Thanks!
 
If nothing else, and depending on the condition of the aircraft, this could keep the Battle of Britain Memorial Flight Spitfire component going for many, many more years.
 
Now looking at over 60.

Burma has signed a deal with a British aviation enthusiast to allow the excavation of a World War II treasure: dozens of Spitfire fighter planes buried by the British almost 70 years ago.

Aviation enthusiast David J. Cundall discovered the locations of the aircraft after years of searching. The planes are believed to be in good condition, since they were reportedly packed in crates and hidden by British forces to keep them out of the hands of invading Japanese.

The British Embassy said Wednesday that the agreement was reached after discussions between President Thein Sein and British Prime Minister David Cameron during his visit to Burma earlier this year.

The excavation of the rare planes is slated to begin by the end of October.
The Myanma Ahlin daily reported that the excavation agreement was signed Tuesday by Director General of Civil Aviation Tin Naing Tun, Cundall on behalf of his British company DJC, and Htoo Htoo, managing director of Cundall's Burma partner, the Shwe Taung Paw company.
'We estimate that there are at least 60 Spitfires buried and they are in good condition.'

- Htoo Htoo, managing director of recovery company Shwe Taung Paw

"It took 16 years for Mr. David Cundall to locate the planes buried in crates. We estimate that there are at least 60 Spitfires buried and they are in good condition," Htoo Htoo Zaw said.

"This will be the largest number of Spitfires in the world," he said. "We want to let people see those historic fighters, and the excavation of these fighter planes will further strengthen relations between Burma and Britain."

The British Embassy described the agreement as a chance to work with Burma's new reformist government "in uncovering, restoring, displaying these fighter planes."

"We hope that many of them will be gracing the skies of Britain and as discussed, some will be displayed here in Burma," said an embassy spokesman, using the old name for Burma.

Not everyone was pleased with the decision, however. The Boultbee Flight Academy, a British facility dedicated to the iconic plane, had hoped to aid in the recovery work.

"We are concerned that any Spitfires discovered under the current agreement could be dispersed with no long term value to either to Myanmar or the United Kingdom," a spokeswoman said.

"We hope that Mr. Cundall will confirm that at least some of any Spitfires excavated are put to use in building new cultural and educational ties between Myanmar and the United Kingdom.”

Burma has since last the past year turned away from many of the repressive policies of the previous military government and patched up relations with Western nations that had previously shunned it.

Myanma Ahlin cited Transport Minister Nyan Tun Aung saying the agreement was a milestone strengthening the friendly relationship between Burma and Britain and amounts to the British government's recognition of the democratic reforms of President Thein Sein's new government.

Cundall has said his quest to find the planes involved 12 trips to Burma and the expenditure of more than 130,000 pounds ($210,000).


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/10/17 ... z29ZWcfr5b
 
PMN1 said:
Cundall has said his quest to find the planes involved 12 trips to Burma and the expenditure of more than 130,000 pounds ($210,000).

That's really peanuts in regard of the cost of refurbishing the aircraft and making them airworthy again... And the money that these aircraft will generate in publicity and airshow tickets will more than repay the investment!
 
That may sound like peanuts, but when its your personal money and a "sunk" cost, it is significant. Already, others have tried to exploit this find for their gain. It still will probably be a long time before the balance sheet is positive. How many ordinary people would be willing to invest this much time and money on a scheme that in the end might return zero?

Best Regards,

Artie Bob
 
People are getting ready to dig, it seems.
Myanmar find could flood vintage Spitfire market
By AYE AYE WIN, Associated Press – 4 days ago
YANGON, Myanmar (AP) — As many as 140 World War II Spitfire fighter planes — three to four times the number of airworthy models known to exist — are believed to be buried in near-pristine condition in Myanmar. A British-Myanmar partnership says it will begin digging them up by the end of the month.
The go-ahead for excavation came earlier this week when the Myanmar government signed an agreement with British aviation enthusiast David J. Cundall and his local partner. Cundall, a farmer and businessman, earlier this year announced he had located 20 of the planes, best known for helping the Royal Air Force win mastery of the skies during the Battle of Britain
[...]
Found here
... which basically repeats what PMN1 posted on October 18.
 
More news from BBC website: WW II Spitfires digging team leaves for Burma

A team of aircraft enthusiasts is heading to Burma for the final stage of a 17-year search to locate a hoard of Spitfire planes.
The group of 21, led by North Lincolnshire farmer David Cundall, will fly from Heathrow to begin digging at Yangon International Airport.
[…]
There could be up to 36 buried planes at the end of the airport's runway in Mingaladon and up to 124 aircraft in total, it is thought.
Mr Cundall said he expected the search to include three different airfields and to last about six weeks.
[…]
The excavation team will also include war veteran Stanley Coombe, from Eastbourne, who responded to Mr Cundall's appeal for witnesses who saw them being buried 68 years ago.
Mr Coombe, who is now in his early 90s, was stationed in Burma at the end of World War II and is one of eight eye-witnesses to come forward.
It took Mr Cundall a further eight years following the electromagnetic survey, to sign an actual contract to start digging for the planes.
The contract allows the dig to go ahead and would see the Burmese government take 50% of the value of aircraft recovered, while Mr Cundall's share will be 30% and his agent 20%.

I hope people will be taking pictures.
 
124 new Spitfires... it boggles the mind. How about a remake of "the Battle of britain" ? :eek:
 
This is beginning to look like one of those big, big disappointments :(
 
On the other hand, any current Spit owners will be popping the Taittinger...
 
Just like the Strategic Steam Reserve thing, such things are alluded even attempted at times and places but do not work. Which still leaves the crated 26 Turkish Fw-190s somewhere though.
 
Funny how some people here had guessed right from the start... This will only reinforce the conviction that "unless a picture can be produced it doesn't exist."

Before flying out to Rangoon, he said a successful find would be on the, "same level as the Tutankhamen find in Egypt".

Ah, c'mon guys. These are only manufactured machines from 80 years ago. We know everything about how they came to be, how they were built, and we even have quite a few examples surviving in museums throughout the world. How could that compare with the treasure of a 3000-year-old pharoah of which little was known at all until his discovery??
Perhaps the excitement in the quest can compare, but certainly not the historical value for mankind!


Anyway, topic renamed.
 
I am not understanding the high expectation and irrational exuberance before the announcement . Exactly what are the chances that stuff packed in wooden crates would survive in "prestine" condition after being buried 65 years in the waterlogged dirt of hot and humid Burma? :eek:
 
A lot, if the irrationality is taken to its fullest extent in expectation of regular dig-outs for maintenance. This is simply another form of defence scam popular at the height of Cold War and Spits were good until the MiG-15 came along. No charges on the guys who actually put up money or went to Myanmar to dig, but they are not there.
 

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