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Hi all,

I search for drawings and technical data for the swiss Pilatus projects P.1 training 1940 / P.5 utility 19?? / P.C.9 transport (not the trainer) 195? and the P.C.10 Twin Porter 19??.
I know there was an article in FliegerRevue Extra No.1, but I have´nt this magacine.

Thanks for your help.

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Hello

I know two "Twin Porter" ,1974 (on the left ) and 1966 (right )
 

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Hi richard,

on the right I believe this is a early version of the P.C.8D "Twin Porter" build in 1967.
Please see: http://images.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http://www.pc-6.com/history/625-hbkoa2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.pc-6.com/history/625.htm&usg=___Vl538aqdZpe7lx95klwtYhclRc=&h=160&w=240&sz=15&hl=de&start=9&um=1&tbnid=ED59VqedSr6BSM:&tbnh=73&tbnw=110&prev=/images%3Fq%3DPilatus%2BTwin%2BPorter%26hl%3Dde%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1

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Re: Pilatus projects

The mentioned FliegerRevue article shows another configuration, similar to the
Do 28, with the engines on stub wings at the nose, but that was an earlier design.
 

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Hi,

I suggest that the Pilatus PC.9 transport was this project.

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,7057.0/highlight,small+transport.html
 

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Sorry hesham, but the PC.9 was a one engined steched modification of the PC.8D, I think.
 

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Re: Pilatus Twin Porter from 1966......

Dear Boys and Girls, here are details in French of a Pilatus Twin-Porter that I've found in 1966 issues of Aviation Magazine International. The design isn't "secret" and I don't believe it is a "project" as this aircraft was flown in 1967......

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two more .......
 

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one more
 

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Thank you Jemiba; I thought it was in the wrong place......

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Re: Pilatus PC-8 Twin Porter prototype......

Dear Boys and Girls, here is a little picture with a caption in French of the Pilatus PC-8 Twin Porter prototype. The picture was in a much larger article about general aviation trends......

The picture comes from the 15th May 1969 issue of Aviation Magazine International......

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Hi all:
in my list I have also the following designations, but unfortunately for the main part without and indication abouet the project nature:
P.2
P.3 (trainer basis for PC-7)
P.4
PC-6 Porter (the well-known STOL)
PC-6A Turbo-Porter (the turboprop version)
PC-7 Turbo-Trainer (the turboprop derivative of PC-6)
PC-8 Twin Porter
Pilatus/Poligrat Module Porter
Pilatus/Pograt PD-01 Master Porter (project only; perhaps is Module Porter)
PC-9 (various designes, included the well-know PC-7 derivative)
PC-11? No info
PC-12 or PC-XII single turboprop utility
PC-21
in fact, perhaps my post could find a better place in designations column...
Nico
 

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HI ALL
The Pilatus I see each days !
 

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Nico said:
Hi all:
in my list I have also the following designations, but unfortunately for the main part without and indication abouet the project nature:
P.2
P.3 (trainer basis for PC-7)
P.4
PC-6 Porter (the well-known STOL)
PC-6A Turbo-Porter (the turboprop version)
PC-7 Turbo-Trainer (the turboprop derivative of PC-6)
PC-8 Twin Porter
Pilatus/Poligrat Module Porter
Pilatus/Pograt PD-01 Master Porter (project only; perhaps is Module Porter)
PC-9 (various designes, included the well-know PC-7 derivative)
PC-11? No info
PC-12 or PC-XII single turboprop utility
PC-21
in fact, perhaps my post could find a better place in designations column...
Nico

Hi all,

the missing PC.11 is the production of the sailplane Basten B.4.

Why the jump from PC.12 to PC.21? Are the others projects... ??? ??? ???

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Maveric said:
Why the jump from PC.12 to PC.21? Are the others projects... ??? ??? ???

Marketing purposes I suspect: PC-21 = Pilatus Trainer for the 21st Century!

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Greg
 

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Translated from a really great blog on Pilatus, the Unofficial Blog of Pilatus Aircraft:

http://pilatus-history-and-news.blogspot.fr/

Since its inception the Pilatus Aircraft company has studied various projects which were not proceeded with for technical or economic reasons.

P-1
In 1940 was revealed a project for a low-wing single-seat trainer. It had no designation at the time but later received the designation P-1. It was to be fitted with a 240 hp Argus engine.
Wingspan: 9.20 m - Length: 6.90 m - Height: 2.10 m - Maximum take-off weight: 1150 kg - Speed: 280 km/h.

SB-5
In 1944 an aircraft project designated SB-5 for a 5-ton, 9-passenger transport fitted with a 1000 hp engine, directly derived from the SB-2 Pelikan.

P-5
In 1951 Pilatus offers the Swiss military an artillery observation type, the P-5. This high wing monoplane with struts was to provide an excellent visibility to the crew and was to be powered by a 160 hp engine.
Wingspan: 12.00 m - Length: 9.20 m - Height: 2.50 m - Speed: 190 km/h.

Project 26025 Twin Porter
This was to be a 15-passenger derivative of the Pilatus PC-8 powered by two Turboméca "Astazou" XII, Pratt & Whitney PT6-A20 or Garrett TPE-331 turbines.
Wingspan: 20.0 m - Length: 14.40 m - Height: 3.65 m - Payload: 1320 kg - Overall weight: 4300 kg

PC-XM
An all-metal motor-glider derived from the Pilatus B4 with a 65 hp Limbach-Volkswagen engine.
Wingspan: 18.0 m - Length: 7.77 m - Height: 1.60 m - Overall weight: 700 kg

PC-9B Module Porter
This was to be a successor to the famous Turbo Porter with a PT6A-27 engine.
Wingspan: 15,87 m - Length: 11,62 m - Height: 3.39 m - Empty weight: 1338 kg - Maximum take-off weight: 2800 kg - Speed: 275 km/h - Ceiling: 8200 m - Range: 1580 km

PC-10B Twin Porter
This planned 15-passenger aircraft was to be powered by two Pratt & Whitney PT6A-27 or Garrett AiResearch TPE-331-1-101 turbines.
Wingspan: 19.00 m - Length: 13.50 m - Height: 6.08 m - Empty weight: 2446 kg - Maximum take-off weight: 4700 kg - Ceiling: 8500 m - Range: 2100 km - Speed: 300 km/h

PD-01 Master Porter
The first flight of this type was planned for 1976. It was to be equipped with 1120 hp Pratt & Whitney PT6A-45 engines and could carry either 24 passengers or 3200 kg of freight.
Wingspan: 17.40 m - Length: 13.79 m - Height: 6.30 m - Maximum take-off weight : 6500 kg

Agricultural aircraft
This 1972 low-wing project reused many elements from the PC-6 Porter, allowing for shorter development and reduced manufacturing costs. It was to be fitted with a radial engine.

Porter with radial engine
In 1972, Pilatus also considered fitting the Porter with a radial engine but did not proceed with it.
 

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Three more projects for 1972:

Mini-Twin
A twin-engine aircraft for 8 passengers with fixed gear, fitted with a large cargo door on the left side of the fuselage.

PC-10
Another twin-engined transport with fixed gear for both freight and passengers, but turbine-powered et with an access ramp aft of the fuselage.

Twin Porter Parasol
The most astonishing project was based on a PC-6 Porter which was fitted with a second engine on top of the fuselage.
 

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Sorry about posting the PC-10 picture in place of the SB-5. The correct SB-5 picture now appears at the very bottom of the post.
 

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Pilatus PC-8D Twin Porter

Source:
http://pilatus-history-and-news.blogspot.com/2013_07_01_archive.html
http://aeropics.ca/articles/2012/04/all-pilatus-production-aircraft/
http://www.pc-6.com/history/625.htm#
 

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And from Flieger Revue Extra 01,


here is the Pilatus PC-8D and a small info about PC-9/PC-9B Super Porter.
 

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A Pilatus project that is new to me, a COIN aircraft named the Mosquito:

« The basic concept of a twin turboprop close support aircraft was tested by Argentina's Pucara in the Falklands with only limited success. Pilatus later considered developing something similar, called the Mosquito, but (probably correctly) spent its money on the PC-9 instead. »

Source: Asia-Pacific Defence Reporter, Volume 18, 1991
 

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Here are some Pilatus images from a late 1960's general brochure from Pilatus.

The SB-2 Pelikan was ordered by the Swiss federal air force in 1942. The design was especially suited for mountain operations.

The P-3 first flew in 1953 and paved the way for later trainer designs.

The P-4 first flew in 1949 and was described by the firm as a rugged 5-seat transport which did not go into series production because the facilities were needed for the licence manufacture of fuselages and tail booms for Vampires from 1952.
 

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I am wondering why the "Pelican" had twin rudders - does anybody have a good idea or even an explanation for that?
 

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Translated from a really great blog on Pilatus, the Unofficial Blog of Pilatus Aircraft:

http://pilatus-history-and-news.blogspot.fr/



SB-5

In 1944 an aircraft project designated SB-5 for a 5-ton, 9-passenger transport fitted with a 1000 hp engine, directly derived from the SB-2 Pelikan.

The SB-5 was rather a "study" than an actual "project" - however, Pilatus was not involved but the study was solely done by the "Studienbüro für Spezialflugzeuge" of ETH Zürich. Actually the SB-5 should have been an aircraft which was thought would be more economically in use... but at the time it was proposed, Pilatus had already lost any interest in further such projects.
 

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The SB-2 Pelikan was ordered by the Swiss federal air force in 1942. The design was especially suited for mountain operations.

In fact the Swiss Air Force (that time called "Flugwaffe") was not involved at all into the SB-2. The origin of the project is to be found in the "Vivil Aviation Authority" (That time named "Luftamt"), which indeed was thinking a specialized aircraft to connect the narrow mountain valley with the cetres of the country would be a good idea. Only later, when nobody showed interest in this aircraft, the air force was approached and asked to do trials... they never materialized.
 

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I want to share the pictures of the SB-1 model here. The SB-1 was never built. Strictly speaking, the SB-1 is not a Pilatus aircraft, as the project was started before Pilatus was founded. The SB-1 was a project at the ETH Zurich. However, the follow-up project, the SB-2, was the first aircraft that Pilatus built. That's why I think it fits here. The inspiration for the model was the book by Kuno Gross: "Pilatus SB-2 Pelican". The Reg X-HB-ETH is purely symbolic.

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I would like to share the pictures of the Pilatus SB-5 model here. The Pilatus SB-5 was never built. The registration HB-PCH is symbolic, as the callsign for Pilatus Aircraft Company is "PCH", the Reg HB-PCH is .in reality for a Piper PA-28-161. The inspiration for the model was the book by Kuno Gross: "Pilatus SB-2 Pelican".

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I am wondering why the "Pelican" had twin rudders - does anybody have a good idea or even an explanation for that?

Probably for the same reason as Max-Holste's Brossard and 1930s vintage twins. They needed to mount rudders outboard of the turbulent airflow coming off the propeller and fuselage.
Also consider that any float-plane version will need massive fin(s) for yaw stability.
 

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Here a few pictures of a wooden model of the project Pilatus P-5 (could probably also be named Pilatus PC-5). This aircraft was ment to be an artillery spotting aircraft. KAB was an Swiss Air Force registration and stands for Kampffeld & Artillerie Beobachtung (Battlefield IMG_20200602_171056.jpg IMG_20200602_171128.jpg IMG_20200624_153546.jpg IMG_20200624_153634.jpg IMG_20200624_153926.jpg IMG_20200624_153952.jpg IMG_20200624_154008.jpg , Artillery Surveillance)
 

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