Pierre Carmier's T.10 Light Plane & His Other Aircraft

I just came across the Carmier-Dupuy (erroneously found as "Charmier-...", "...-Depuy", "...-Dupuy" or "...-Dupouy" in several pages, Wikipedia included). It was registered as [F-ESEF] in the experimental category. It was powered by a 30 hp Anzani 3A engine, and piloted by Pierre Carmier on the 1924 "Avionnettes" Tour.
 

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If I may, in 1924 French magazines, the one off avionnette designed by Pierre Carmier, an engineer, appears to be referred to as the Carmier avionnette, with no letter or number.

Building up from the Wikipedia page, a few people helped him with the design and / or testing of that aircraft, an engineer by the name of Dupuy and a Great War pilot, Jean Chalambel. Mind you, Carmier's brother, Paul, was also involved at some point.

From the looks of it, the Carmier T.10 was a different design, seemingly completed in early 1946. A photo and description, in French, can be found at in the April 27th, 1946 issue of the French magazine Les Ailes. The registration of that aircraft was F-WBBG.
 

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Now I'm wondering if that may have been an erroneous identification, or if Tampier perhaps built the aircraft for Carmier and Dupouy.

I check from TU magazine,Tampier didn't built any aircraft to Carmier or Dupuy,
he disappeared from events from 1927,and Tampier last known series is T-7,so
I think the prefix "T" does related to him, anyway thank you for your search.
 

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If I may, in 1924 French magazines, the one off avionnette designed by Pierre Carmier, an engineer, appears to be referred to as the Carmier avionnette, with no letter or number.

Building up from the Wikipedia page, a few people helped him with the design and / or testing of that aircraft, an engineer by the name of Dupuy and a Great War pilot, Jean Chalambel. Mind you, Carmier's brother, Paul, was also involved at some point.

From the looks of it, the Carmier T.10 was a different design, seemingly completed in early 1946. A photo and description, in French, can be found at in the April 27th, 1946 issue of the French magazine Les Ailes. The registration of that aircraft was F-WBBG.
WOW! Thank you so much for setting the record straight. This proves without a doubt that EVERY SINGLE online resource about the Carmier avionnette is simply WRONG. They got the spelling wrong, they mistook the avionnette for a much later type, and they even put an "equal" sign between those two completely different designs... and even their registrations! And although I considered a number of different sources and tried to get it as "right" as possible, I was off. If you had not corrected me, my post would have further added to the confusion, so thanks a lot!
I check from TU magazine,Tampier didn't built any aircraft to Carmier or Dupuy, he disappeared from events from 1927,and Tampier last known series is T-7,so I think the prefix "T" does related to him, anyway thank you for your search.
Indeed, I did my own research on Tampier later today and could not find anything beyond T.6 (if you have details about the T.7, please share them!) The fact that the "T.10" designation was wrongly applied to Carmier's avionnette completely destroys my hypothesis, of course. It clearly appears that after 1927, Tampier was solely a faucet manufacturer.

Of course I will edit my post on Carmier. If a moderator could move this entire off-topic segment to the proper place (https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/little-known-french-projects-and-prototypes.15821/), and clear the Tampier thread from this mess, I would be most grateful. :)
 
By the way,

there is a big surprise in my new book about the designer Carmier,he
created a project for Military aircraft.
 
Was it use as a military trainer aircraft ?.

No. The tip-off is in its original, descriptive name - the Carmier avionette (so, effectively, an ultralight).

In its time, the sole Carmier-Depuy 10 was powered by a 35 hp Anzani, 45 hp Anzani, and 27 hp Ava 4A. IIUC, the name change to Carmier T.10 (no hyphen) came with a further, 1936 engine-change to a 40 hp Train 4T.
 
No. The tip-off is in its original, descriptive name - the Carmier avionette (so, effectively, an ultralight).

In its time, the sole Carmier-Depuy 10 was powered by a 35 hp Anzani, 45 hp Anzani, and 27 hp Ava 4A. IIUC, the name change to Carmier T.10 (no hyphen) came with a further, 1936 engine-change to a 40 hp Train 4T.

But there is an artist drawing to almost military trainer aircraft,based on T-10,so may
it was unbuilt version or something ?!.
 
I don't know what "almost military trainer" means.

Perhaps l'Aviation populaire showed some interest in avionettes like the T.50 (no hyphen) for the pre-screening of potential military pilots. But l'Armée de l'air certainly wouldn't have.
 
A Carmier aircraft, powered by a AVA 27cv, was also registrated at the "12 heures d'Angers" competition in july 1936 (Race number 14) but failed to participate.
Unfortunately, its designation is not mentioned in the magazine "Les Ailes" issues (and dificult to read on the photo)
 

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A Carmier aircraft, powered by a AVA 27cv, was also registrated at the "12 heures d'Angers" competition in july 1936 (Race number 14) but failed to participate.
Unfortunately, its designation is not mentioned in the magazine "Les Ailes" issues (and dificult to read on the photo)
Now that's interesting, because it shows that the redesign of the airplane (I believe Carmier only ever built one airframe) had taken place long before 1945. And although it is not quite the 1945-46 version, it's closer to it than the original one (including the full span flaps). Also, the engine is no longer an Anzani, not yet a Train, but an Ava, so now we have a third, intermediate configuration for that interesting little plane!
 
A Carmier aircraft, powered by a AVA 27cv, was also registrated at the "12 heures d'Angers" competition in july 1936 (Race number 14) but failed to participate.
Unfortunately, its designation is not mentioned in the magazine "Les Ailes" issues (and dificult to read on the photo)
The designation written in the tail is "P. Carmier Type Sport".
 

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... the engine is no longer an Anzani, not yet a Train, but an Ava, so now we have a third, intermediate configuration for that interesting little plane!

As noted in reply #9, the engine-change progression seems to have been 35 hp Anzani --> 45 hp Anzani --> 27 hp Ava 4A --> 40 hp Train 4T.
 
Hi,

there was also a two aircraft, one was a Sporting airplane with low-mid-wing and
powered by single engine,and a high wing Amphibian tourist airplane,powered by
two engines.

Was that aircraft in the middle,a military trainer ?.
 

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