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Re: Parnall light military general-purpose monoplane
"light military general-purpose monoplane"? ???
I guess it's a "scout-dive boming monoplane" as the USN would put it.
"light military general-purpose monoplane"? ???
I guess it's a "scout-dive boming monoplane" as the USN would put it.
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Re: Parnall light military general-purpose monoplane
To me "light military general-purpose monoplane" sounds more like a more
modern version of, say, the Westland Wapiti, tasked with army cooperation,
recce and maybe light attack in the case of policing actions, so what
nowadays would be called a COIN a/c .
To me "light military general-purpose monoplane" sounds more like a more
modern version of, say, the Westland Wapiti, tasked with army cooperation,
recce and maybe light attack in the case of policing actions, so what
nowadays would be called a COIN a/c .
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Re: Parnall light military general-purpose monoplane
Nice find, Hesham!
The spats give the look of the later Type 382 Heck Mk III trainer. I'd imagine that the family resemblance would be even stronger for the two Hecks used to test the smaller Wolseley Aries radial engines.
The 1936 date probably tells us why this project never proceeded. IIRC, that was the year Wolseley decided to stop producing aircraft engines. I suppose that a 240 hp AS Lynx might have been substituted.
Nice find, Hesham!
The spats give the look of the later Type 382 Heck Mk III trainer. I'd imagine that the family resemblance would be even stronger for the two Hecks used to test the smaller Wolseley Aries radial engines.
The 1936 date probably tells us why this project never proceeded. IIRC, that was the year Wolseley decided to stop producing aircraft engines. I suppose that a 240 hp AS Lynx might have been substituted.
Re: Parnall Type 382 « Heck » Mk.III
Many Thanks!
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Re: Parnall Type 382 « Heck » Mk.III
Thanks also, Jemiba, saved a long fruitless search through the 'Miles' book.
(But you can see where I was coming from...)
Some more. Developed from the Parnall Heck 2C cabin monoplane. and
also known as the Heck Mk III, the Parnall type 382 was designed to
Specification T.1/37, which called for an elementary two-seater trainer
larger and heavier than the Hawks and Magisters then in service. The
engine was specified as the DH Gipsy Six, of 200hp.
The type 382 was favourably evaluated by the A & AEE, particular attention
being given to the types' interconnected flaps and slats, a first for a
primary trainer. However the T.1/37 specification was not proceeded with,
neither the type 382, nor the Miles M.15, being produced in quantity.
At first flying with the Class B marking J1, the type 382 was registered
G-AFKF, before being impressed as R9138. In 1943, it became Ground
Instructional Airframe No. 3600M, being scrapped before the war's end.
Source, Putnam's 'Parnall'
cheers,
Robin.
Thanks also, Jemiba, saved a long fruitless search through the 'Miles' book.
(But you can see where I was coming from...)
Some more. Developed from the Parnall Heck 2C cabin monoplane. and
also known as the Heck Mk III, the Parnall type 382 was designed to
Specification T.1/37, which called for an elementary two-seater trainer
larger and heavier than the Hawks and Magisters then in service. The
engine was specified as the DH Gipsy Six, of 200hp.
The type 382 was favourably evaluated by the A & AEE, particular attention
being given to the types' interconnected flaps and slats, a first for a
primary trainer. However the T.1/37 specification was not proceeded with,
neither the type 382, nor the Miles M.15, being produced in quantity.
At first flying with the Class B marking J1, the type 382 was registered
G-AFKF, before being impressed as R9138. In 1943, it became Ground
Instructional Airframe No. 3600M, being scrapped before the war's end.
Source, Putnam's 'Parnall'
cheers,
Robin.
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Re: Parnall light military general-purpose monoplane
Unlikely, far too small and underpowered. I think that is was a speculative design to benefit from the work done on the Heck and maybe aimed at the overseas market
Unlikely, far too small and underpowered. I think that is was a speculative design to benefit from the work done on the Heck and maybe aimed at the overseas market
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Re: Parnall Light Military General-Purpose Monoplane Project
This is very soon after George Parnall sold his company,George Parnall and co, to Nash and Thomson and was merged with Hendy to become Parnall Aircraft Ltd. George Parnall and co had not built an aircraft of their design for some time (they were carrying out Hawker Demon turret conversions) so I guess the new management were keen to promote the design capabilities of the new company, and a good way to do this was to produce speculative designs based around Hendy's products. I would suggest that this sketch is just such a concept and the Heck MkIII, built as a trainer to spec. T.1/37, may have started the same way.
This is very soon after George Parnall sold his company,George Parnall and co, to Nash and Thomson and was merged with Hendy to become Parnall Aircraft Ltd. George Parnall and co had not built an aircraft of their design for some time (they were carrying out Hawker Demon turret conversions) so I guess the new management were keen to promote the design capabilities of the new company, and a good way to do this was to produce speculative designs based around Hendy's products. I would suggest that this sketch is just such a concept and the Heck MkIII, built as a trainer to spec. T.1/37, may have started the same way.
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Re: Parnall Little Known Projects
No, its actually the other way round. The Type 381 was originally designed as a simple test airframe for the low-profile turrets but was 'upgraded' to be more like a twin-engined fighter.
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No, its actually the other way round. The Type 381 was originally designed as a simple test airframe for the low-profile turrets but was 'upgraded' to be more like a twin-engined fighter.
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Re: Parnall Little Known Projects
Here is a Parnall brochure from 1929, no unknown projects.
Here is a Parnall brochure from 1929, no unknown projects.
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Re: Parnall Little Known Projects
You're not going to give up on this are you? There is no evidence from any of the informed sorces for a project with this name, which would not fit any of Parnall's naming systems and is not even a word in English. You have to provide us with more information about where you found the project so that we can have a look and see if we can understand. Like the Fuffin/Puffin confusion there is probably a simple explanation
You're not going to give up on this are you? There is no evidence from any of the informed sorces for a project with this name, which would not fit any of Parnall's naming systems and is not even a word in English. You have to provide us with more information about where you found the project so that we can have a look and see if we can understand. Like the Fuffin/Puffin confusion there is probably a simple explanation
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Re: Parnall Little Known Projects
I know that my dear Schneiderman,
but I didn't fake anything,when Internet offered in my country in 1993,I make a big
search for all companies,specially their Projects,and I found this Info from long time
ago,so I just want to check.
I know that my dear Schneiderman,
but I didn't fake anything,when Internet offered in my country in 1993,I make a big
search for all companies,specially their Projects,and I found this Info from long time
ago,so I just want to check.
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Re: Parnall Little Known Projects
Well its the usual and obvious warning, don't believe everything you find on the internet. A single source is never good, if you can't remember what that source was, that's even worse. Most likely it was just a mistake.
Well its the usual and obvious warning, don't believe everything you find on the internet. A single source is never good, if you can't remember what that source was, that's even worse. Most likely it was just a mistake.
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Re: Parnall Type 382 « Heck » Mk.III
Hi tried to post these before I must have failed somehow, anyway here goes again. Will take possibly 4 posts to load all.
Hi tried to post these before I must have failed somehow, anyway here goes again. Will take possibly 4 posts to load all.
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Many thanks for posting those images, your contributions here are always most interesting and a nice Christmas present for us
Many thanks for posting those images, your contributions here are always most interesting and a nice Christmas present for us
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Re: Parnall Type 382 « Heck » Mk.III
Mods, can you please move this thread to Early Aircraft Projects. Thanks
Mods, can you please move this thread to Early Aircraft Projects. Thanks
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OK, returning to the first post.
In the 11th November 1936 issue of Aeroplane in an article on British aircraft industry they wrote the following alongside the same artwork as in the first post with the caption 'the military version of the Hendy Heck'
Parnall Hecks
Parnall Aircraft Ltd., ........... The programme of the Company provides for the manufacture of military and civil types and of aircraft armament. At present the company is offering two types of aeroplane. One is the three-seat Hendy Heck, the other is the Type 3308, which is a military version of the former. It is intended for war service or advanced training. It carries two forward-firing Browning guns in the wings, each with 250 rounds of ammunition, and one backwardly firing Lewis gun with 400 rounds on top of the fuselage aft of the cabin. In the Service version the top of the cabin is closed by a detachable transparent covering, the after portion of which can be folded up and back to clear the rear gun for action.
The covering can be detached by pulling a single handle in front of the pilot for an emergency exit with a parachute.
As an alternative to the two guns in the wings two 120lb bombs can be carried. Further provision for eight extra 20lb bombs can be made......
.......The military version is designed to take a 340hp Walter Castor II or the 260hp Walter Bora, or the 360hp Armstrong Siddeley Cheetah IX, or any other motor radial or otherwise up to 400hp.
So, a speculative project design that they had developed in some detail, but not associated with any official Air Ministry requirement. The Type number looks a little odd, Parnall projects were all three figures as far as I know. (edit.......online sources are ambiguous, some give the Type 3308 designation to the prototype Heck, the GINFO database gives that aircraft the constructor's number as 341)
In the 11th November 1936 issue of Aeroplane in an article on British aircraft industry they wrote the following alongside the same artwork as in the first post with the caption 'the military version of the Hendy Heck'
Parnall Hecks
Parnall Aircraft Ltd., ........... The programme of the Company provides for the manufacture of military and civil types and of aircraft armament. At present the company is offering two types of aeroplane. One is the three-seat Hendy Heck, the other is the Type 3308, which is a military version of the former. It is intended for war service or advanced training. It carries two forward-firing Browning guns in the wings, each with 250 rounds of ammunition, and one backwardly firing Lewis gun with 400 rounds on top of the fuselage aft of the cabin. In the Service version the top of the cabin is closed by a detachable transparent covering, the after portion of which can be folded up and back to clear the rear gun for action.
The covering can be detached by pulling a single handle in front of the pilot for an emergency exit with a parachute.
As an alternative to the two guns in the wings two 120lb bombs can be carried. Further provision for eight extra 20lb bombs can be made......
.......The military version is designed to take a 340hp Walter Castor II or the 260hp Walter Bora, or the 360hp Armstrong Siddeley Cheetah IX, or any other motor radial or otherwise up to 400hp.
So, a speculative project design that they had developed in some detail, but not associated with any official Air Ministry requirement. The Type number looks a little odd, Parnall projects were all three figures as far as I know. (edit.......online sources are ambiguous, some give the Type 3308 designation to the prototype Heck, the GINFO database gives that aircraft the constructor's number as 341)
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