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Mil Mi-30 and Mi-32 tilt-rotor VTOL projects

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Pometabla - i have this drawing down as a Mil Mi-30A concept for a tilt-rotor, looks similar to the Moskoviya
 

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Below a drawing of the Mi-30 with maybe a bit better background.
Also an enlarged version sometimes called Mi-32.

Does anyone know if these designs were revealed to the West in the early/mid-1980s when they were developed?
 

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In FLUG REVUE 3/1993 a Mil tiltrotor design bears the designation ’Mi-51’. In my opinion the author misidentified it due to the number on the fuselage – I think it’s the Mi-30L. Or did Mil OKB rename the Mi-30L into Mi-51??? I don’t believe this, but nevertheless I want to ask you (mindful of Sukhoi renaming campaign …).
 

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Dear boxkite,

I think it is anther helicopter,different from Mi-30L,SEE ALSO
http://avia.russian.ee/helicopters_eng/mi-30-r.html
 

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Btw, the original source for all these sites is Mikheyev's book "Moskovskiy vertolyotnyy zavod imeni M. L. Milya", published in 1998.
 

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Some clarification of the Mi-30 program comes in Take-Off (Vzlet) magazine, October 2006 issue.

Origins date back to 1972. Initially conceived as successor to Mi-8 with 19 passengers or 2t cargo. TV3-117 engines specified, with 11m diameter rotors. Weight was 10,600kg, speed 500-600km/h and range 800km.

Later on, the project had grown to a payload of 3-5t or 32 passengers, with TV3-117F engines and 12.5m diameter rotors with weight now 15,500kg.

Through the early 1980s size and powerplant fluctuated, with D-136, TV7-117 and D-27 propfans mentioned and weights of 11, 20 and 30t.

By 1991 three projects were under consideration: Mi-30S (3.2t payload, 20 passengers), Mi-30D (2.5t payload, 11 passengers), and Mi-30L (0.95t payload, 7 passengers). The largest version (13t) used TV7-117 turboprops with the smallest (3.75t) using the Al-34.
 

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From the first artist impression that I sore as a kid of the Bell/Boeing-Vertol Tilt Rotor concept (XV-15 / V-22), in the 1980’s in a Bill Gunston book titled ‘Aircraft 20000’

I always thought that the then Soviet Union would make a crash program to develop their own V-22 equivalent to both test this concept and to counter the United States technology.
After all the Tilt Rotor concept would have been ideal for the Soviet / Warsaw Pacts military philosophy of fast and deep penetration shock warfare.

I still think that had the Soviets aviation Bureau’s been given the task to design, develop and field a combat tilt rotor concept, the Soviets would have done it simpler and faster than what the United States has been able too
For how long has it taken the United States to field its V-22 / MV-22 Osprey, from concept to operational service?????

Saying this I think that, had the Soviet’s been happy with the tilt rotor concept and its capabilities, we would have seen giant An-12-sized tilt rotors by now, whilst the yanks are only toying with this next step in evolution and capability

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With a probability that I am demonstrating my utter ignorance of east European economics and politics; I suspect that the Russians are likely waiting for more than one country to operate the type. Given the huge areas that Russia must manage the type seems a natural extension of vertical aircraft for them. However there is also now (at least until the petro dollars start re-emerging) the likelyhood that any type must have some commercial viability as well. Look at the efforts to sell the Ka-50. I suspect that its inability to gain foreign customers had something to do with the re-emergence of the Mi-28. If and when (I prefer when) V-22 and BA-609 start to make a market, I think we will see Russian aerospace respond accordingly. There work on high speed rotorcraft came about in short order when western efforts started trending that way. If there is a market, the Russians will be part of it.
 

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another iterations of Mi-30
 

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Another iterations of Mi-30 from:

Design and construction of aircraft with vertical take-off and landing.
F. Kurochkin 1977

MI-30 in the presentation of the artist magazine "Technics of Youth."
 

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Indeed it is a great find! I have to wonder if Russia will ever relook tilt-wing or tilt-rotor technology given the huge areas they have.
 

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New topic split from generic V/STOL thread.

Has the "Mi-32" designation ever been confirmed for the enlarged version?
 

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boxkite said:
In FLUG REVUE 3/1993 a Mil tiltrotor design bears the designation ’Mi-51’. In my opinion the author misidentified it due to the number on the fuselage – I think it’s the Mi-30L. Or did Mil OKB rename the Mi-30L into Mi-51 ??? I don’t believe this, but nevertheless I want to ask you (mindful of Sukhoi renaming campaign …).


My dear Boxkite,


confirm,it was Mil Mi-30,the same artist drawing;
http://litrus.net/book/read/75193?p=33
 

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Stargazer2006 said:
Has the "Mi-32" designation ever been confirmed for the enlarged version?

I hate to quote myself, but in the absence of any answer, I'm under the impression that no source mentions the designation "Mi-32." The only helicopter I have with this number is a project for a flying crane with three-rotors on a triangular structure... Or was it reused, as was sometimes the case? If any of you have an "Mi-32" tilt-rotor, please show it!

Meanwhile, some period artwork of the Mil Mi-30:
 

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I don't know about Mi-32 designation being confirmed, but I'm pretty sure I saw it mentioned in Jane's and other aviation pubs in the late '80s - early '90s.
 

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Jemiba said:

http://hushkit.wordpress.com/2013/10/04/ten-coolest-cancelled-helicopters/



 

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The Mil Mi-30.


http://vk.com/wall1182989_1475
 

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hesham said:
My dear Boxkite,

confirm,it was Mil Mi-30,the same artist drawing;

http://litrus.net/book/read/75193?p=33

Anther confirm from; Авиация и Космонавтика 1995-05
 

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