Mignet Aircraft List

[hesham]

Hallo my dears,

the most of Mignet aircraft was mentioned here:

http://au.geocities.com/ozflea44/henri_life.html

also we know HM-370,HM-1000 and HM-1100.
the unknown was HM-22,HM-24,HM-25,HM-26,
HM-27 and HM-340;

DOES ANYONE KNOW THEM ?.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

that site is working;

http://pouguide.org/biographie-d-henri-mignet

 

[cluttonfred]

Here is a newer version of that same page:

http://www.pouguide.org/fr/connaitre/histoire/biographie-d-henri-mignet

 

[Stargazer]

A list of Mignet designs:

[CONTENTS REMOVED]

SEE posts #34, #35, #38 and #39 for new, updated list.

 

[hesham]

Nice work to put them here my dear Skyblazer,

and there was also HM-351 and HM-370.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mignet_Pou-du-Ciel

 

[Stargazer]

Nice work to put them here my dear Skyblazer,

and there was also MH-351 and MH-370.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mignet_Pou-du-Ciel

Sorry hesham, but it's HM-, not "MH-"...
Also, I can see no "HM-370" in that Wikipedia list... Take your time before posting!

I have very strong doubts about the designation "HM-351", since the Tachikawa Sakura was the HM-330 ("Cerisier en Fleurs" being the French translation of Sakura).

 

[hesham]

Sorry my dear Skyblazer for inverted the prefix letters,

and no doubt in HM-351,it was mentioned in JAWA 1965-1966,and for HM-370,in
my list it was a Project for a light aircraft competition,no more details.

 

[hesham]

Also see HM-381.

 

[hesham]

The HM-370;

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,965.msg7655.html#msg7655

 

[Stargazer]

Thanks, hesham. I've added these three designations to the list.

 

[hesham]

OK my dear Skyblazer,

and I don't know that was a real design or not?,HM-384;

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/F-PVQJ.html

 

[hesham]

Also HM-311 and small Info about HM-351;

http://qam.com.au/?wpfb_dl=5

 

[Stargazer]

"HM-311" has a question mark ("?") after it, and indeed it isjust another confusion over the little-known HM-330.
I have researched the Sakura long enough on many Japanese sites to be sure of its designation.
Now it's not impossible that HM-311 and HM-351 existed, but IF they existed they were not the Tachikawa Sakura.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

there was a Mignet HM.381 & HM.385;

http://pouguide.org/uploads/PLANS_HM360-380/CCBEST024.pdf
http://pouguide.org/uploads/PLANS_HM360-380/HM-385%20ailes.pdf

 

[hesham]

Hi,

HM.24 was a two-seat light aircraft oF 1941,a version of HM.20.

 

[cluttonfred]

The HM.381 and HM.385 are both variants of the stock HM.380, itself a two-seat version of the single-seat HM.360. The HM.381 has detail improvements over the original HM.380 while the HM.385 has a substantially different fuselage, struts and control arrangement to allow side doors, reverse tricycle landing gear and larger wings (9.0 m span front wing). All of the HM.360/380 series were specifically designed for amateur construction and plans are available for free download with the Mignet family's consent at pouguide.org. Here is a detail from the HM.385 drawings:

 

[Retrofit]

Hallo my dears,

the most of Mignet aircraft was mentioned here:
http://au.geocities.com/ozflea44/henri_life.html
also we know HM-370,HM-1000 and HM-1100.
the unknown was HM-22,HM-24,HM-25,HM-26,
HM-27 and HM-340;

DOES ANYONE KNOW THEM ?.

It seems that the HM-25 can be the aircraft refered by Mignet as MK-25, build by a Mr. K. in 1941-42 during Mignet's stay in USA (cf L'aventure americaine on Pouguide website here-attached)

Aerofiles registration index mentions:
NX 18218 "American Mignet Aircraft HM-20"
NX 18226 "American Mignet Aircraft HM-23"
NX 18240 "American Mignet Aircraft HM-21"

But for the NX 20473, the index mentions just as "Mignet HM-20?"
And this aircarft seems quite big.

http://pouguide.org/l-aventure-americaine
http://pouguide.org/mignet-usa

 

[hesham]

From Ailes 4/1946,

the MH.290 drawing.

 

[hesham]

From, Bulletin_de_l'Association_des_amis 1965,

a good article about Mignet aircraft.

 

[hesham]

From Aeroplane monthly 1982.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

HM.190 was a two seat light aircraft,powered by one 40 hp Salmson 9Ad
engine,developed from HM.19C.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

HM.22 was a project,done during occupation in USA,1936/38

 

[hesham]

From Aeroplane monthly 1984.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

HM.22 was a project,done during occupation in USA,1936/38

For this project,there's a big possiblity to be this design or developed
from it ?,

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/adapting-the-mignet-configuration-to-other-categories.6377/#post-764238

 

[Stargazer]

For this project,there's a big possiblity to be this design or developed from it ?,

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/adapting-the-mignet-configuration-to-other-categories.6377/#post-764238

Seems likely indeed.

 

[Stargazer]

How very frustrating... Just found out that Le Trait d'Union N° 267 lists almost every Mignet aircraft, including the elusive HM.22, HM.26 and HM.27. I've got almost every issue in paper form... but my collection stops at N° 266!!

 

[hesham]

Hi Stargazer,here's some additions,

- HM.160 was a version of HM.16,with 20-35 Ava engine,one built in California
- HM.161 was a version of HM.160,with headrest and a backbone
- HM.162 & HM.163 were all metal versions,only 162 was built
- HM.164 was a version of HM.160, had a tricycle landing gear
- HM.24 please see reply # 15
- HM.25,HM.26 & HM.27 were a projects during occupation
- HM.400 was a project looks like HM.290
- HM G.10 was a glider project,had 6 meter span,1939

 

[Stargazer]

Hi Stargazer,here's some additions,

Thanks. There are several other variants on civil registers:
- HM.290GD
- HM.293C
- HM.293S
- HM.293W
- HM.390B
I suspect that some of the suffix letters indicate an engine change, possibly "C" for Continental, "W" for Warner.

 

[hesham]

Thanks. There are several other variants on civil registers:
- HM.290GD
- HM.293C
- HM.293S
- HM.293W
- HM.390B
I suspect that some of the suffix letters indicate an engine change, possibly "C" for Continental, "W" for Warner.

I think you are right,and I sugest to you to make a complete list of the
company with all details,then I can help by more Infos.

 

[Stargazer]

I think you are right,and I sugest to you to make a complete list of the company with all details,then I can help by more Infos.

I'm currently working on a very detailed list of all Mignet types, and trying to understand the different variants.
Each and every one of the forty designs produced under Henri Mignet is documented except for "34": no trace of an HM-340 anywhere so far.
By coincidence, I moved last year to the very area where Mignet was born, and hopefully I will contact his grandson soon. Perhaps he can shed more light on the little known projects.

 

[hesham]

I'm currently working on a very detailed list of all Mignet types, and trying to understand the different variants.
Each and every one of the forty designs produced under Henri Mignet is documented except for "34": no trace of an HM-340 anywhere so far.
By coincidence, I moved last year to the very area where Mignet was born, and hopefully I will contact his grandson soon. Perhaps he can shed more light on the little known projects.

That' a good news.

 

[Stargazer]

• Mignet designs that are totally unknown: HM.340, undoubtedly a project, but no information.
• Mignet designs that are listed but with no information (so far): HM.26, HM.27, HM.141.
• Mignet designs for which I could find no photos or drawings: HM.7, HM.161, HM.164, HM-G.10, HM.24, HM.351.

All other Mignet design numbers are documented and depicted in photo or drawing form.

 

[hesham]

I never heard about HM.141,the HM.26 & HM.27 were a projects,designed
under occupation,no drawings also to these stuff.

 

[Stargazer]

Here is the first installment of my updated Mignet aircraft list.

NOTES:

• In this first chart, I will only list Mignet's initial versions, not all the later derivatives.
• The names given to certain types were never official: "Dromadaire" was a nickname given by Mignet's sister; "Pou-du-Ciel" was a derogatory term coined by the press.
• There doesn't seem to exist any photo of the HM.7 helicopter.
• All photos are clickable.

Model	Year	Cr.	Type	Engine	Qty.	Photo	Details
HM.1(-1)	1912	1	monoplane glider	none	1		Lilienthal-type glider.
HM.1-2	1913	1	biplane glider	none	1		Chanute-type glider.
HM.2	1920	1	high-wing motorglider	20 hp, unknown type	1		Pivoting monospar wings, pivoting tail, steerable wheels; didn't fly.
HM.3	1922	1	high-wing monoplane	30 hp Viale	1		"Dromadaire". Flown but found too heavy, too fast, too powerful.
HM.4	1922	1	parasol monoplane	10 hp Anzani	1		Experimental "Parasol" type, only made a few hops.
HM.5	1922	1	monoplane glider	none	1		Thick section folding wing; won encouragement prize at Vauville '23.
HM.6	1925	1	parasol monoplane	10 hp Anzani	1		Mignet's only pusher. Pivoting monospar wings, fixed empennage; only lifted rear end.
HM.7	1925	1	helicopter	10 hp Anzani	1	no photo	6-meter rotor, 2 rotations/second, lifted up and rolled over.
HM.8	1928	1	parasol monoplane	various	@ 200		"Avionnette", first successful Mignet type.
HM.9	1929	1	parasol monoplane	Chaise	1		HM.8 development with motorcycle engine, pivoting wings, no ailerons.
HM.10	1929	1	parasol monoplane	unknown	1		Folding wings, pilot ahead of engine.
HM.11	1931	1	tandem triplane	15 hp Harrissard	1		First "Pou-du-Ciel", 2-cyl., 2-stroke engine from delivery tricycle.
HM.12	1932	1	tandem triplane	unknown	1		Same rebuilt with new slotted wings, engine & empennage; crashed after 10-meter nose-dive.
HM.13	1933	1	tandem biplane	unknown	1		First two-wing Pou, enclosed cockpit.
HM.14	1933	1	tandem biplane	17-25 hp Aubier-Dunne 25 hp Poinsard, etc.	many built		Definitive "Pou-du-Ciel" configuration, open-cockpit.
HM.15	1936	1	tandem biplane	35 hp Poinsard	1		Second attempt at an enclosed Pou.
HM.16	1936	1	tandem biplane	25 hp Ava or Poinsard-Mengin	1		Experimental "Pou-Bébé"; 4-meter span, not proceeded with.
HM.17	1936	2	tandem biplane	unknown	1		Enclosed two-seater Pou-Bébé.
HM.18	1937	1	tandem biplane	35 hp Mengin	1		Third enclosed single-seat Pou.
HM.19	1937	2	tandem biplane	45 hp Salmson	1 [FW-046]		Enclosed two-seater Pou.
HM.190/B	193?	2	tandem biplane	40 hp Salmson 9Ad	1 [FW-214]	no photo	Variant, no details.

 

[Stargazer]

Second installment of the Mignet aircraft list.

This time around, I've done away with the "wing" column, as all the types share the standard tandem wing configuration.
As explained previously, variants developed after Mignet's death are not included here, only the ones he supervised.
The name "Pou-du-Ciel" became more or less official for all types produced after the war, except where indicated.

Model	Year	Cr.	Engine	Qty.	Photo	Details
HM.20 (Am.-Mignet)	1937	1	40 hp Continental	2 [NX18218 NX20473]		First "Pou" model produced by Mignet overseas, under American-Mignet.
HM.210	1937	2	70 hp Minie "Horus"	1 [F-PAAG]		Improved 2-seat HM.18 produced at Meaux, certificated in 1939.
HM.212	c.1937	2	40 hp Salmson 9 Ad	?	no photo	No details, could be the same aircraft modified or a different one.
HM.21 (Am.-Mignet)	1937	2	71 hp Rover	1 [NX18226]		Rework of HM.210 design with steel tube fuselage, wooden wings.
HM.22 (Am.-Mignet)	c.1938	?	unknown	0		Project, possibly an airliner design.
HM.23 (Am.-Mignet)	1938	2	50 hp Continental	1 [NX18240]		Enclosed 2-seater with reverse tricycle gear.
HM-G.10	1939	1?	none	0 ?	no photo	6-meter span.
HM.24	1941	2	unknown	0 ?	no photo	Version of HM.20, no details.
MK-25 (Am.-Mignet)	1941	3	unknown	1 [NX20473]		Developed under Kousnetzoff, not approved by Mignet; rigged/balanced more like conventional airplane.
HM.250	1942	3	unknown	0	no photo	Similar type redesigned by Mignet.
HM.26	c.1943	?	unknown	0	no photo	Project, no data.
HM.27	c.1943	?	unknown	0	no photo	Project, no data.
HM.280	1944	1	35 hp Mengin	1		"Pou-Maquis", folding wing, parachute- command vehicle for Army.
HM.290	1945	1	25-70 hp (various)	many built		"Le Sport-de-l'Air." HM-280 redesign; longer fuselage, plans sold from 1946
HM.293	1946	1	50-60 hp VW	many built		Development for larger pilots.
HM.294	1947	1	35 hp Aeronca	1 [LV-X5]		"Pou-du-Ciel." Enclosed version built in Argentina, dubbed the "Butterfly".
HM.296	195?	1	35 hp Poinsard, > 40 hp Salmson	1		Variant built by Mr. Baron.
HM.300	1947	3	125 hp Continental	1 [LV-X6]		Enclosed 3-seater built in Argentina, dubbed the "Wild Beast".
HM.310 (Aviões Mignet do Brasil)	1952	2	90 hp Continental	1 [PP-ZCA]		Enclosed 2-seater built in Santos, Brazil.
HM.320	1955	1	30 hp VW	1 [F-PHZI]		Enclosed single-seater built in Casablanca, Morocco.
HM.330 R-HM "Sakura" (Tachikawa)	1954	2	90 hp Continental	1 [JA3094]		Similar to HM.310 but built in Japan.
HM.350	1956	2	90 hp Continental	1 [F-PHQT]		Similar but built in Casablanca, Morocco.
HM.351	c.1957	2	90 hp Continental	(1)	no photo	Same aircraft modified with tricycle gear.
HM.360	1959	1	Salmson 9Ad etc.	many built		"Le Sport-de-l'Air." Improved HM-290 with wing geometry, including folding.
HM.361	c.1960	2	unknown	0	no photo	Two-seat version with metal-tube fuselage, replaced by HM.380.
HM.370	1960	2	unknown	0	no photo	Enclosed 2-seater project.
HM.380	1961	2	60-100 hp (various)	many built		Two-seat version of HM.360.
HM.381	1961	2	Volkswagen, etc.	several built		Similar to HM-380 but lateral door.
HM.382	c.1961	2	65-90 hp Continental	0 ?	no photo	Version with inverted tricycle gear.
HM.390	1960	2-3	90 hp Continental	1 [F-PJXI]		"Auto-Ciel." Enlarged development built by Félix Eysséric; polyester structure.
HM.400	1962	2-3	100-105 hp, unknown type	0	no photo	Tube fuselage, folding wooden wings, laminated covering, fixed tricycle gear.

 

[hesham]

Amazing work Stargazer,and I can add,

HM.15 was powered by one 35 hp Poinsard engine
HM.210 was powered by one 70 hp Minie "Horus" engine
HM.280 was powered by one 35 hp Mengin
HM.382 was powered by one 65 to 90 hp Continental engine
HM.384 was a verion,first flight 1974/10

 

[Stargazer]

Amazing work Stargazer,and I can add,

HM.15 was powered by one 35 hp Poinsard engine
HM.210 was powered by one 70 hp Minie "Horus" engine
HM.280 was powered by one 35 hp Mengin
HM.382 was powered by one 65 to 90 hp Continental engine
HM.384 was a verion,first flight 1974/10

Thanks, I've updated the info, but not HM.384 (as I said, the versions that appeared after Mignet's death in 1962 will be covered separately).

 

[Stargazer]

Third installment of the Mignet aircraft list.

This time around, I'll be listing the different variants of Mignet types that were developed after him and/or independently from him. I have tried to respect the way each owner spells his aircraft's name, so you will sometimes find spaces where others use hyphens or no space at all. Please note that this list is by no means exhaustive.

• HM.14 — Of course this was such a popular type that it's impossible to trace the hundreds of examples that were built by amateurs all over the world, many of which with specificities and variations. However, it is worthy to mention the Easton-Mignet E-1 [N13384], built circa 1934, which was the first "Pou" built by Frank Easton prior to his involvement with the American-Mignet company. More recent derivatives are Bernard Domont's 1995 version, with folding wings and a Citroën Visa car's engine; the HM14 TF 290 Loppan [SE-XJH], an HM-14 type with HM-290/293 wings and Rotax 503 first flown in Sweden in 2011 (unsurprisingly, "Loppan" means "the flea" in Swedish); or the HM14/360, an HM-14 with HM-360 wings to fit larger pilots, a few of which have been built and are flying. Finally, there is an HM.141 in a museum which COULD be a Mignet-produced variant, but I do not know in what way it differs.

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HM14 TF 290​	HM 14/360​	HM 141​	HM 160 (Julius Junge)​	HM 163 (H.Engels)​	HM 16 (R. Germon)​	Jumbo HM16​

• HM.16 — Although Mignet himself considered his "Pou-Bébé" a mere experiment and didn't develop it further, the temptation to build the smallest possible "Pou" has been so strong that others developed the concept. Several variants designated HM.160 to 164 have existed; the HM.160 used a 20-35 hp Ava engine, and although it is difficult to known how many were built, there was at least one in California and one in Germany; the HM.161 was a variant with a headrest and backbone; the HM.162 and HM.163 were all-metal versions (but only HM.162) was built; the designation HM.163 was subsequently reused for a completely different wooden version built by Hans Engels, president of the Belgian Dutch speaking amateur builders; the HM.164 had a tricycle landing gear; other, undesignated variants include Robin Germon's enclosed cockpit Pou built in New Zealand (looking nowhere near the original model), and Stewart Marshall's Jumbo HM16 with 293 wings shaped the HM16 way and an enlarged fuselage.
  
  
• HM.19 — Again, this was purely an experiment on Mignet's part. The HM.190 with 40-hp Salmson 9Ad may simply have been a redesignation, or slight modification, of the original HM.19 design, and the existence of an HM.190B receiving temporary pre-war designation [FW-214] was probably also the same aircraft in its final configuration.
  Much later on, a Swiss builder produced a single Pou designated HM.19-C in 1969 [HB-SPG], the suffix "C" probably referring to a Continental engine. Despite the similar designation, this was a complete redesign, with much more streamlined fuselage and cockpit, tricycle gear and a tall squared-off tail fin. This particular aircraft was then sold to a British owner, becoming [G-BWRI], and eventually landed in Germany, getting its final registration as [D-EPOU], an all-red livery with black spots. It is now in a museum.​

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HM 19-C (Switzerland)​	HM 19-C (Germany)​	Mignet-Easton ME-2-Y​	HM 290 FB​	HM 290 GD​	HM 290 D​

• HM.20 — Only two of this single-seat type were built by American-Mignet, the second one in 1940, after Mignet had returned to France. That second example [NX20473] was completely reworked by Frank Easton in 1945 as the two-seater Mignet-Easton ME-2-Y, with many changes in rigging, controls and a tri-gear configuration, receiving the new registration [N43993]. It still exists and is now in a museum.​
• HM.290 — There were plenty of them built, and it's impossible to list them all; HM 290 FB was a variant built by Fred Byron; HM 290 GD [F-PTXX] was built by Gagnant and test-flown by Delpech from October 1974, but damaged in Feb. 1976; HM 290 D is the very same aircraft restored in 1982 by Daniel Renard, flown until 1984, and now exhibited in Cambrai.
  
  
• HM.293 —This is the most widely produced Pou of them all, a variant of the HM.293 meant for larger pilots. The main version is the HM.293 RG, an ultralight variant developed by Rodolphe Grunberg; several hundred have been built all over the world, and very often they don't carry the "RG" suffix, being simply refered to as "HM293" types. One of the most prominent Pou builders, Bernard Domont, built no less than four HM.293s: the first in 1953 (with 1937 HM.18 wings and the old 18 hp Aubier & Dunne engine, broken after a night landing), a second one in 1962 (with a 25 hp Poinsard), a third one in 1998 (with a Rotax 447) and a fourth one in 2000 (with a 28 hp König); existence of the designations HM.293C, HM.293S and HM.293W probably indicates individual engine changes to Continental, Salmson and Warner, respectively. Finally, a few builders (such as Yves Tartrat) configured and painted their HM.293 to look like the original HM.280 "Pou-Maquis" military prototype (which is now in a museum).

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first HM 293 RG​	"HM 280" (Y. Tartrat)​	HM 360 (Goulevin)​	HM 380 (HB-YBK)​	HM-380 B​	HM 380 L​	HM 380 ER​

• HM.360 — This is the ultimate version of the single-seat Pou. Again, many of them have been built, with or without a canopy, and with either Volkswagen, Continental A65 and various other engine types. Bernard Domont built one in 1989 with a 30 hp KFM engine, which he later replaced by a Rotax 503.
  
  
• HM.380 — The ultimate two-seater Pou, many of which have been built. Bernard Domont built one in 1992 with a Rotax 532, and an ultralight version in 2000 with an 80 hp Jabiru. Other interesting versions are the HM 380 L, a version with a completely redesigned, squared-off tail fin; or François Belleville's HM-380 B, with a square-off tail fin that extends far below the fuselage and incorporates the tail wheel. I have also found an HM 380 ER, but I do not know what the suffix stands for (extended range?).
  
  
• HM.384 RB — A variant first flown in October 1974 but I couldn't find more details.
  
  
• HM.385 — A version with a substantially different fuselage, struts and control arrangement to allow side doors, reverse tricycle landing gear and larger wings.

The important thing to remember is that there are no two Pous alike. Each builder adapts the design to his own preferences, using a canopy or not, a conventional gear or a tricycle one, different construction materials, etc. Some Pous look extremely crude, their builders trying to stick to the spirit of Mignet's original project, while others look very sleak. There have also been many derivative families of aircraft, such as the Lacroix/De Nazaris Autoplan/Microplan series, the Croses Pou-Plume/Criquet series, or the Pouchel series that replaces the fuselage with a standard ladder!

 

[Stargazer]

Last, but certainly not least, are the aircraft produced by Henri Mignet's own offspring, and still carrying the Mignet name:

• HM.1000 Balerit — A two-seat ultralight type launched in 1985, designed by Mignet's son Pierre, and powered by a 64-hp Rotax 582 engine ("balerit" is a local Charente word for hawk or falcon). No less than 135 examples were produced by Mignet Aircraft, 30 of which were delivered to the French Army with avec strengthened propeller pulley, different propeller type, modified fuel circuit and armored parachute sheath — these modifications being eventually incorporated into the civilian model.
  
  
• HM.1100 Cordouan — A sleek, modern take on the classic Pou configuration ("Cordouan" being a seaside location famous for its lighthouse). Powered by either an 80-hp Rotax 912 or Jabiru 2200 engine, it was launched in 1996 but was only produced in 25 examples, many of which exported to Africa.
  
  
• HM.1110 P Cordouan P — An experimental 1997 modification powered by an 85-hp Jabiru 2200 engine, and using the fuselage and rear wing of a factory-built HM.1100 with the front wing & control system of Pierre Mignet’s unfinished Saintonge prototype. (NOTE: the designation "1110" may be in error and simply a typo for 1100)

Unfortunately, I haven't been able so far to find anything about Pierre Mignet's unfinished Saintonge prototype.

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HM.1000 Balerit​	HM.1000 (fire patrol)​	HM.1000 (Army)​	HM.1100 Cordouan​	HM.1110 P Cordouan P​

 

[hesham]

Also,

HM.400 two-three-seater (1.25 m internal width) of 100 to 105 hp with
folding wooden wings and tube fuselage with laminated covering, fixed
tricycle landing gear. Project attacked by H.M. a few months before his
death. Pierre Mignet, his son, decided to continue the work undertaken
by his father, with J.D. Allard.