Lippisch Post War Projects

[hesham]

Great Hamzalippischh,


but try to change the color.

 

[lippischh]

Final image of the wingless fighter here :

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,18552.msg194055.html#msg194055

 

[c460]

Model of the Dornier Aerodyne exhibited at Le Bourget 1971, from Aviation Magazine 565.

 

[hesham]

Hi,


http://erichorning4.blogspot.com/2013/10/alexander-lippisch-wingless-aerodyne.html

 

[hesham]

And;

 

[pedrospe]

Nice concepts,thanks hesham.


best regards


Pedro

 

[bigvlada]

Number 13 is intriguing, a jet bus? Or is there some other purpose for that contraption on the roof?

 

[Jemiba]

Number 13 is intriguing, a jet bus? Or is there some other purpose for that contraption on the roof?

Similar to the concept in Lippisch2.jpg shown in this post, I think:
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2968.msg168385.html#msg168385

 

[hesham]

Hi,


http://www.amiright.com/parody/misc/screaminjayhawkins769.shtml

 

[pedrospe]

Nice pictures,thanks hesham for sharing,but I wonder why these concepts were "abandoned ",they looked very promissing,and simpler than a winged aircraft...




best regards


Pedro

 

[Jemiba]

...,they looked very promissing,and simpler than a winged aircraft...

Not that sure, but although the Aerodyne is described as a combination of tunnel wing and
ducted fan, to my opinion it falls into the same category, as the BS "Flying Pig", with the same
limitations, fully dependent on jet borne lift alone. The faster proposals probably would generate
aerodynamic lift at higher speeds, but then they were intended for tasks, where vertical take-off/
landing wasn't considered a key point for long (e.g. the long range bomber). And for the projects
at the lower edge of the speed range, the Aerodyne Sedan for example, a kind of flying car,
safety reasons probably would have limited its use even back then, when such matters may
still been regarded as more relaxed, than today.
And for unmanned air vehicles, the concept seems not to have offered enough advantages compared
to rotary winged aircraft.

 

[pedrospe]

That is a good point of view,thanks Jemiba.




regards


Pedro

 

[hesham]

Hi,

here is an artist drawing to a Lippisch Fighter Project,by my dear Hamza..

 

[Grey Havoc]

(h/t hesham)

 

[hesham]

From "The Aeroplane" .1.56, another impression of the Lippisch Aerodyne,
with a short description of the principle .

From Icare 1961,

a clearer view.

 

[sienar]

from ISU

 

[Justo Miranda]

Lippisch High-Speed Delta project near 1950

 

[Justo Miranda]

Lippisch Arctur project 1946

 

[Justo Miranda]

Lippisch Arctur project

 

[galgot]

Lippisch High-Speed Delta project near 1950

Thanks for these drawing !
Interesting, seems to have a statojet integrated in the delta wing, never seen that before.

Btw, i knew Lippisch mainly for his work on delta wings, i'm discovering the Aerodyne stuff here... Seems he really was obsessed by doing without any wings at one time.
"Wings !? Who needs that! Real men don't need wings ! I work on a flying electric razor..."

 

[Justo Miranda]

Lippisch Überschall-Delta project

Lippisch High-Speed Delta project near 1950

Thanks for these drawing !
Interesting, seems to have a statojet integrated in the delta wing, never seen that before.

Btw, i knew Lippisch mainly for his work on delta wings, i'm discovering the Aerodyne stuff here... Seems he really was obsessed by doing without any wings at one time.
"Wings !? Who needs that! Real men don't need wings ! I work on a flying electric razor..."

Source "Eindreieck Fliegt" by Alexander Lippisch, Motorbuch Verlag Stuttgart, 1976

 

[Justo Miranda]

Source "Eindreieck Fliegt" by Alexander Lippisch, Motorbuch Verlag Stuttgart, 1976

 

[richard B]

Lippisch Arctur project

So far I know , late in 1945 , Lippisch was in London , and early in 1946 in the U.S : Those proposals were designed by the Austrian Leopold Harbich (1906;1999) who designed and built before and after the war some gliders .

J2mcL Planeurs - Fiche planeur n°

He worked during the war at Messerschmitt (Me 163 ...) (Source : Reinhard Keimel's "Luftfahrtzeugbau in Österreich")

BTW , those projects make me think (a little) of the Me P.1107 and P.1108 flying wings ...

 

[Justo Miranda]

Lippisch Ente

 

[edwest4]

Lippisch was working on enclosed rotor concepts. There is a youtube video showing a vehicle hovering far above the ground with open angled slots along the bottom, with Lippisch watching. The Lippisch glide bomb design did date from World War II. The triangle aircraft was finally realized by the Americans. Finally, a complete history of his work with the DFS is lacking.

 

[Basil]

Regarding Lippisch´s aerodyne projects it is easy to see his influence in the Convair concepts AAFSS (Model 49) and Convair´s LAAS studies of the 1960s (see also: Convair Advanced Designs II by Robert E. Bradley). There were regular contacts between Convair and Lippisch beginning with the Convair XF-92 and continuing during the 1960s.

 

[hesham]

A good artist drawing to Aerodyne,From Krila 2/1957.

 

[edwest4]

Thank you. Enclosed rotors, no wings. Reminds me of something...

 

[edwest4]

Regarding Lippisch´s aerodyne projects it is easy to see his influence in the Convair concepts AAFSS (Model 49) and Convair´s LAAS studies of the 1960s (see also: Convair Advanced Designs II by Robert E. Bradley). There were regular contacts between Convair and Lippisch beginning with the Convair XF-92 and continuing during the 1960s.

I have Convair Advanced Designs II. Are there other sources that describe post-war work in the US done by Lippisch?

 

[JimK]

I have Convair Advanced Designs II. Are there other sources that describe post-war work in the US done by Lippisch?

There is a brief discussion of Lippisch's postwar work on pages 93-101 of The Delta Wing History and Development by Alexander Lippisch, published by the Iowa State University Press, 1981. ISBN 0-8138-0515-5. His contact with Convair merits only a sentence.

 

[Sineva]

Dont forget his WIG craft.

 

[edwest4]

I have Convair Advanced Designs II. Are there other sources that describe post-war work in the US done by Lippisch?

There is a brief discussion of Lippisch's postwar work on pages 93-101 of The Delta Wing History and Development by Alexander Lippisch, published by the Iowa State University Press, 1981. ISBN 0-8138-0515-5. His contact with Convair merits only a sentence.

Thank you. I will have to find this book.

 

[hesham]

From Jstor's site,

we displayed this Aerodyne Project before,but the new info
is from Navy ?!.

 

[KHambsch]

Lippisch Überschall-Delta project

Lippisch High-Speed Delta project near 1950

Thanks for these drawing !
Interesting, seems to have a statojet integrated in the delta wing, never seen that before.

Btw, i knew Lippisch mainly for his work on delta wings, i'm discovering the Aerodyne stuff here... Seems he really was obsessed by doing without any wings at one time.
"Wings !? Who needs that! Real men don't need wings ! I work on a flying electric razor..."

Source "Eindreieck Fliegt" by Alexander Lippisch, Motorbuch Verlag Stuttgart, 1976

Sorry, but I've got a dumb question: Which way is the direction of flight? Pointy end the front and larger diameter sort of flat end the rear of the aircraft? Thanks , Kevin

 

[riggerrob]

Number 13 is intriguing, a jet bus? Or is there some other purpose for that contraption on the roof?

That "contraption on the roof" is a very low aspect-ratio wing. They work "okay" at shallow angles of attack (e.g. cruise) but generate massive mounts of drag as soon as the nose pitches up at slower airspeeds.
That "contraption on the roof" also has slats along 3/4 of its chord. Those slats are probably exits for in-wing fans. In-wing fans are probably for VTOL.

 

[hesham]

From Flying 1956-3.

 

[hesham]

From Interavia 1958.

 

[hesham]

From Interavia 1958.

Also.