Dear Sarcasticat, thanks for sharing the list. I happen to have this list too, published in Waffen Revue Nr.113. In page 86 there is also an entry on the 3,7 cm Flak Vierling 44, but nothing on severe vibrations or any quite hilarious quadruple mount. Do you have more informations on it?
I must have misremembered. I took these screenshots that image in 2020 and must have confused the information with the vibrations mentioned with the 3cm/44 MK 103 Flakvierling.
The purpose of the screenshots was a search for information regarding the MK 303 iirc, which I was having a bit of difficulty finding information for at the time.
Here are some more images and translated text.
Translation: 96) 12.8 cm Flak 40:
WKB, WKE, WKM
Burnouts occur on one side of the barrel (upper sector). We need to investigate the cause. For this, a barrel is being sent to the Tegel factory.
The first test execution of the simplified fuse setting machine for single and dual anti-aircraft guns, as a replacement for the motor-driven fuse setting machine, has been completed. Demonstration is scheduled for January 1945. The material and labor savings, compared to the previous version, amount to more than 75%.
Increased failures at the front due to barrel bursts. One barrel burst for every 1,700 shots in July 1944, one barrel burst for every 1,800 shots in November 1944. Cause: Use of Thomas steel in shell production. It is likely that the shell casing is prone to production defects with this material. Cooperation in clarifying the cause and procurement of a test bomb for the shell casing.
Translation: 97) 12.8 cm Flak 45 (Performance Enhancement of the 12.8 cm Flak 40):
WKB, WKE, WKH
The production drawings will be completed by the end of January 1945. Testing of ammunition and internal ballistics.
Translation: 82) MK 103 in 3.7 cm Flak Mount 43:
WKW
The design is completed.
83) MK 103 in 3.7 cm Twin Flak Mount 43:
WKW
Design work is completed.
Translation: 68) 10.5 cm Flak 39:
WKB, WKE, WKH
The remaining drawings for the refinement will be completed by the end of February 1945.
69) 12.8 cm Flak 40 and 44:
WKB, WKE, WKH
Due to the refinement, the supply lists need to be recompiled. Dates for the new groups are set for 20 February 1945.
[Redacted text]
Drawings for the Mount 45 are approved for production, along with the loading platform and the aiming device.
Design dated 15 February 1945. Two test brakes are being manufactured at Bamag.
A design for a deflector at the barrel selection switch has been submitted. A test version will be produced immediately.
Translation: 70) 12.8 cm Flak 45:
WKB, WKE, WKH
Two base pieces have been manufactured in Tegel. Four new breech wedges have been ordered.
Translation: 72) Emergency Program:
In accordance with the Führer’s directive, an emergency program has been established for development, including the following projects that the Rh.-Bo. conducts or in which Rh.-Bo. participates:
Curved barrel with cover sighting device
Muzzle control adapter for infantry weapons
Spring development for automatic weapons (elimination of Swedish material)
MK 214 A
MK 108 (increased firing rate)
SG 116 (3 cm aircraft cannon)
SG 117 (battery for 108)
MK 303 Br.
Device 58
Device 342
MK 112
3 cm DDLM 44 U
[Redacted text]
3 cm SLM 44 S
3 cm DLM 44
Anti-aircraft mount Device 58 (adapted for onboard use)
Mount Device 38 Zw. for tanks
R 50 BS
R 100 BS
Taifun
Flak R 42
PAW 600
PAW with high V₀
Refinement of anti-aircraft devices (Army and Navy)
Conversion armament and emergency solutions
Weapon carriers
Reconnaissance cannon 7 B 84 L/48
Barrels for propellant mirrors
Barrels for dart projectiles
Recoil-free cannon
21 cm mortar
Ammunition for all aforementioned devices
Research emergency program
Unfortunately I could not find the origin of the Handelzerstorer plan. Perhaps it was in a Discord server I had previously left. Either way, I'm glad to have it, and it indicates there are more to be found.
Hello all, since the KM central thread is being renovated, I decided to create something separate for this.
Does anyone know of German naval gun projects for Panzerschiffe or heavy cruisers? There was a 210mm gun planned for the Reichsmarine I/10 project in the 20s, but beyond that there isn't much.
There was a 283mm/58 "C/38V" gun planned for some of the later Panzerschiffe; Breyer translation:
Wargaming invented a 210mm/60 "SK C/34" as a hypothetical, but I heard there was a real 210mm gun built by Krupp in the late 30s. Does anyone know anything about this gun?
And any other information in this area would be much appreciated!
210 mm gun for I/10 design was, most likely, just a Kaiser-era 21cm/45 SK L45 — the same gun that was used on SMS Blücher armored cruiser.
IIRC, the blueprint for 283-mm/58 gun was somewhere in the original Kriegsmarine Central.
And, again, if I remember correctly, back when design work on Admiral Hipper-class cruisers has just began, it was planned to arm them with 210-mm guns. But then Hitler himself ordered the change to 203-mm caliber — because Anglo-German treaty specified 8-inch guns for heavy cruisers, and 8 inches is 203 mm*.
WG's 210-mm/60 SK C/34 apparently comes from an alternate timeline where Hitler decided not to care about those 7 extra millimetres.
* Now that I think about it, it's probably for the same reason that H-class battleships' guns were 406-mm (i.e., 16 inches) in caliber, instead of some round metric caliber like 400 or 410 mm.
WG's 210-mm/60 SK C/34 apparently comes from an alternate timeline where Hitler decided not to care about those 7 extra millimetres.
* Now that I think about it, it's probably for the same reason that H-class battleships' guns were 406-mm (i.e., 16 inches) in caliber, instead of some round metric caliber like 400 or 410 mm.
I'd also assume that's why the H-class was originally intended with 406mm (16") guns. Once the naval treaties were rendered irrelevant by events, they seemed pretty quick to suggest boring out those guns to 420mm (16.5"). I think that had more to do with a desire to simply have larger guns than the competition versus any practical reason. There wouldn't have been some huge difference between the two.
And, again, if I remember correctly, back when design work on Admiral Hipper-class cruisers has just began, it was planned to arm them with 210-mm guns.
Wargaming invented a 210mm/60 "SK C/34" as a hypothetical, but I heard there was a real 210mm gun built by Krupp in the late 30s. Does anyone know anything about this gun?
Now that we are here, is it possible to over time compile a list of all German AA guns (with usages, and for experimental guns: which were considered most promising)?
I feel like this thread would be the best place to eventually store such a project.
210 mm gun for I/10 design was, most likely, just a Kaiser-era 21cm/45 SK L45 — the same gun that was used on SMS Blücher armored cruiser.
IIRC, the blueprint for 283-mm/58 gun was somewhere in the original Kriegsmarine Central.
And, again, if I remember correctly, back when design work on Admiral Hipper-class cruisers has just began, it was planned to arm them with 210-mm guns. But then Hitler himself ordered the change to 203-mm caliber — because Anglo-German treaty specified 8-inch guns for heavy cruisers, and 8 inches is 203 mm*.
WG's 210-mm/60 SK C/34 apparently comes from an alternate timeline where Hitler decided not to care about those 7 extra millimetres.
* Now that I think about it, it's probably for the same reason that H-class battleships' guns were 406-mm (i.e., 16 inches) in caliber, instead of some round metric caliber like 400 or 410 mm.
I haven't posted in a long, long time, matter of fact, I don't think I've ever posted, but I would like more information, if possible, about the 283mm L/58, considering Germany has a history of constantly lengthening and upgrading their arsenal of 11"/283mm guns throughout the years, starting with the MRK L/35s on the Kurfurst Friedrich Wilhelm to the L/54s on Scharnhorst and Gneisenau. It's a bit confusing why they didn't begin production on an L/58 or go the extra length of making an L/60, as in my eyes, that'd be the simplest next step to pour resources into another improved 283mm gun since they'd have seven 283mm weapons preceding it. An L/58 or L/60 would likely have a wild and crazy long range considering the muzzle velocity was very high on the 283mm L/54.
This post piqued my interest as odd naval guns and stuff interest me, any potential information on a 210mm type naval gun would be appreciated too. I will probably have to dig around Admiral Hipper Class information knowing this.
G'day, I was wondering if anyone has any photos or blueprints of the 8.8cm/75 SK C/25 mount that was temporarily tested on the Konigsbergs before it was swiftly replaced. It just looks so weird that it made me interested in how it actually worked and was operated. Here are some of the photos I've collected of it for context and so they aren't reposted:
Let's see what turrets you guys provided drawings for:
Twin 53cm/52 Gerät 36
Triple and 3x types of quad (4x1, 2-2, 1-2-1) 40,6cm/52 SK C/34
Twin 38cm/52 SK C/26?
Twin 30,5cm/55 SK C/26?
Multiple Twin 28cm/55 SK C/26? or 28cm/52 SK C/28?
Triple 20,3cm/60 SK C/34
And these 12,8cm mounts you recently posted
So we still lack the 21cm twin turret for the Zenker I/10 heavy cruiser and the various single and twin turrets of the secondary 15cm guns for the Zenker designs? I think some of them had even 12cm DP-AA and 5cm AA guns?
G'day, I was wondering if anyone has any photos or blueprints of the 8.8cm/75 SK C/25 mount that was temporarily tested on the Konigsbergs before it was swiftly replaced. It just looks so weird that it made me interested in how it actually worked and was operated. Here are some of the photos I've collected of it for context and so they aren't reposted:
Panzerschiff "A" intended to have two twin 8.8cm C/25 mounts. placed aft superfiring over Bruno 28.3cm turret. but discarded after design finalized, there's not much image or photos presumably they haven't digitalized yet, there's one cross-section plan of the mount from M.J Whitley's German Cruisers book.
I apologize, I'm working in the framework of what @Kingpin61 has already made. That's no excuse - I should be organizing, and will do so when I can find the time.
Invenio is kind of tricky (it's down even as we speak) but I will grab the link for you when it becomes available again.
Here`s a variant of the Spähkreuzer 1938, without the 88mm battery, with 50mm single-barrelled unprotected mounts. Taken from BA/MA`s RM 7/1224 file, which has more interesting stuff on Kriegsmarine weaponry. The twin 50cm shielded and unshielded mounts are mentioned, as well as 37mm ones.
Dear Sarcasticat, thanks for sharing the list. I happen to have this list too, published in Waffen Revue Nr.113. In page 86 there is also an entry on the 3,7 cm Flak Vierling 44, but nothing on severe vibrations or any quite hilarious quadruple mount. Do you have more informations on it?
This Rheinmetall development of a quadrupe 37mm FlaK, the FlaK Vierling 44 was, as in BA/MA`s RH-12--2/162, postponed for the duration of the war. The more interesting part in the file is that the Kriegsmarine also wanted such a mount. Other interesting stuff on AA artillery, such as the Gerät 341 and 342.
In one of the RM-6 document mentioned sub-type H43 battleships (A and B?) to be armed either triple turrets and quad turrets in smaller calibers but no specifications, probably just some more nonsense to keep staffers busy.
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