JMR (Joint Multi-Role) & FVL (Future Vertical Lift) Programs

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A fine demonstration that both sides are fully engaged in the "war of words". The author is surprisingly light on the veneer she uses for a academic discussion on the validity of her claims. Something she is taken to task on in the comments.
 

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Zeroing your next combat helicopter needs in function of what is compatible with your rear line infrastructures would be like a Formula one team lining up their lounge couch on the race track.

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Zeroing your next combat helicopter needs in function of what is compatible with your rear line infrastructures would be like a Formula one team lining up their lounge couch on the race track.

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Sofa, so good. New ejection couch trials and three-man flight crew, gotta love it.
 

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The war of words on the FARA program is now fully involved in "the swamp" (a.k.a. Washington DC).
 

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View: https://twitter.com/FVLCFT/status/1455503458547601418
The ALTIUS-700 carries 300 percent more payload than the -600 and endures up to five hours of flight, depending on payloads, which are customizable and include ISR, cUAS, electronic warfare, munitions and signals intelligence.
 
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It's all mostly a moot point if ITEP doesn't make up it's considerable schedule slip.
 

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Ok, can someone explain to me what i'm looking at? is that the long-announced MEL for FARA, which is an internal launcher, but tested externally on this UH-60? Also, what are the other suspended payloads besides the Hellfire? ALEs or something else?
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Looks like the usual ESSS on a Black Hawk, just seen from an unusual angle.

The light-colored tubes on the inner pylon are probably ALTIUS-600s, which have been used as surrogate ALEs.

The dark-colored pod above the Hellfire looks a lot like the Fletcher LGR-4 land-based APKWS pod, just in an aircraft application. Not a new idea -- there was another guided rocket (DAGR) that was supposed to fit in a quad pod replacing a single Hellfire.
 

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Those are interesting loadouts, but the really juicy bit would be if what's in the picture is the MEL. Together with MOSA and another couple of buzzwords, it's a centerpiece of FARA. The air vehicles are to a large extent designed around its use.
 

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Those are interesting loadouts, but the really juicy bit would be if what's in the picture is the MEL. Together with MOSA and another couple of buzzwords, it's a centerpiece of FARA. The air vehicles are to a large extent designed around its use.

Seems like it is. Same picture is in this article, with mention of a recent exercise with the UH-60 as a FARA surrogate.


I infer that the MEL is basically the orange bits in the photo, equivalent to the M299 launcher associated with Hellfire.
 
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Those are interesting loadouts, but the really juicy bit would be if what's in the picture is the MEL. Together with MOSA and another couple of buzzwords, it's a centerpiece of FARA. The air vehicles are to a large extent designed around its use.

Seems like it is. Same picture is in this article, with mention of a recent exercise with the UH-60 as a FARA surrogate.


I infer that the MEL is basically the orange bits in the photo, equivalent to the M299 launcher associated with Hellfire.
I agree the orange bits are the MEL.
 

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MOSA will either be a brilliant success for how to operate in the mid-21st Century, or another stillborn US government concept. I am enthusiastic that there is a recognition that the speed of change makes something of this nature an imperative, however I am troubled that an organization as hidebound and bureaucratic as the US DoD will struggle to allow it to succeed.
 

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Clearly the US Army is staying focused on the two programs in hand. Last time they tried to do a new "heavy vertical lift" The USAF Inc. pitched a fit, took over the program, and cancelled it. Ironically USAF Inc., is now saying "Gosh! We have to stop being reliant on runways."

Anything larger than CH-47 with more capability (speed, range) will draw a tirade from USAF Inc. I suspect that even if the US Army decided it could use MV-22, USAF Inc., would fight it. US Army probably has enough fight with DoD right now with the two current efforts.
 

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