Israeli missile defence in operation (technical discussion only)

aonestudio said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1936185640044933504
View: https://x.com/BarzanSadiq/status/1936185640044933504

https://twitter.com/x/status/1936212694463320307
View: https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/1936212694463320307
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The trucks in the first vid arent "missile carrying",they`re transporter-launchers for canisterized shahed-136 OWA drones & from the looks of it some of them appear to have possibly launched some of the drones,as with the first truck it looks like only one of the canisters has the burned remains of an s-136 still in it [0:06] and the second truck appears to have the remains of perhaps only the 2 bottom s-136s.
 
DWG said:
But if there's a difference in speed, is the slower one the decoy, or the slower one the warhead? You don't know, because you don't know the specifics of the incoming warhead to that level of precision.
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That is a question for the intelligence services whose job it is to estimate the performance of enemy weapons to program defense systems.

Once you know the operational characteristics of a missile, you can differentiate between warheads and decoys, but don't underestimate the enemy and there will always be unpleasant surprises, especially with new types of missiles that have not yet been studied.
 
Justo Miranda said:
That is a question for the intelligence services whose job it is to estimate the performance of enemy weapons to program defense systems.

Once you know the operational characteristics of a missile, you can differentiate between warheads and decoys, but don't underestimate the enemy and there will always be unpleasant surprises, especially with new types of missiles that have not yet been studied.
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Right.

What I'm saying is that properly designed atmospheric decoys will fall at the same rate as the actual warhead(s), so you will need to use sensors other than radar to figure out which contact is going to blow up and which contact is only going to be a kinetic dart (by its nature as a decoy that has to descend at warhead speeds).
 
Sineva said:
heres an interesting one,a warhead submuniton being intercepted.
Not the most cost effective use of interceptors tho.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1936131450538967532
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OTOH it's the size of warhead Iron Dome is actually intended to engage on a daily basis and it's not the value of the incoming target you measure cost-effectiveness against, but the potential cost on the ground.

The interesting point in this vid is not so much the successful intercept as how much else is going on. There are six interceptors in play, apparent from three different launchers. Two from the right-hand launcher on the low-right early-on appear to be engaging a different target, while it's actually the first missile from the left-hand launcher, flying an s-shaped curve to put it in the right place to intercept, that achieves the hit, while a second missile from the left-hand launcher and the sole missile from a launcher somewhere behind the cameraman go for higher intercepts that miss. Meanwhile the right-hand launcher switches target and puts out a final missile towards almost the same intercept point as the successful one from the left.

Given the chances for fratricide, I'm not sure a larger spacing mightn't have been better to ensure you get a second bite at the cherry if the first one misses and frags the second. But if that was the only viable intercept geometry (after two misses), then I guess that's what you go with.

There's some impressive battle management going on there.
 
Sineva said:
heres an interesting one,a warhead submuniton being intercepted.
Not the most cost effective use of interceptors tho.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1936131450538967532
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Stuff's about to kill people or cause hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars in damage. Seems pretty cost effective to me.
Not sure why you're saying it's a submunition. How can you tell?
 
The Arms Control Wonk blog posted an interesting analysis of the numbers of Arrow 2, Arrow 3, and THAAD expenditures, based on video shot by an observer in Jordan. The researcher is Sam Lair at the James Martin Center for Nonproliferation Studies at the Middlebury Institute.

Lair's estimated minimum expenditure since the beginning of the Iran-Israel exchanges on June 13 is 34 Arrow-3, 9 Arrow-2, and 39 THAAD. And there are definitely more that were not recorded in the video source.

 
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Big_Zukini said:
Stuff's about to kill people or cause hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars in damage. Seems pretty cost effective to me.
Not sure why you're saying it's a submunition. How can you tell?
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Several Israel friend told me that the Iron Dome mainly engage the wreckage - preventing large chunk of destroyed missiles from hitting the populated areas. The wreckage is falling much slower than warheads, and thus within the Iron Dome capabilities.
 
Oh...great.

A more sure defense would be to yell at the sky "Artemis static tests" and every missile there ever was blows up on the bloody stand.
 

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