Is this a real MIL?

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I was enjoying my AM coffee and looking around at Militaryphotos.net when I came across the picture below. Is it real? Or have I fallen victim to another splendid bit of Photoshop work?
 

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Looks like kitbashing job, photoshopped. With Occam razor, this is one of the worst configurations for a push-rotor attack chopper you can even imagine. Plus, national insignia is quite out of standards. You just needn't two red stars placed at vertical tail AND the fuselage as in Bondiana movies and Rambo III.
 

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At least the shape of the design is real - it´s one of the first Mi-28 configurations.
 

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Seems that it was photoshoped from this mockup, only the photo is from different angle.
 

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Yasotay's picture was originally published in Mikheyev's book "Moskovskiy vertolyotnyy zavod imeni M. L. Milya 50 let" (ISBN 5765600130 / Moscow, 1998 / page 224). In my opinion this publication is the best source for Mil helicopters, so I don't believe he used faked pictures.
 

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Thanks all,

I never would have guessed a prototype for Mi-28.
 

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Flateric, your link is gone. Here is the new one: http://www.mi-helicopter.ru/eng/index.php?id=145

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If you are right, than I am wondering if they also build the mockup of the third configuration.

I'm sure that it was probably tested on this Mi-24D:

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The Soviets actually were working on a Tilt-Rotor, and what is purported to be the mockup was recently sold to a museum in the West. Here are some pics of the mockup on a truck and reassembled in a museum sans proprotors (I forgot which museum).
 

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flateric said:
With Occam razor, this is one of the worst configurations for a push-rotor attack chopper you can even imagine.

Accepting the risk of a nomination for Stupidest Question of the Year 2008: What makes this "the worst configurations for a push-rotor attack chopper" ? More complex than a single-rotor design, granted, and more drag as well. But I should think that the two side-by-side rotors would balance out lift nicely as speed increases ?

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Thomas L. Nielsen
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On a side note, the Kamov V-100 project used a very similar configuration:

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Shot of the special space inside the Mi-28 for rescue of the other pilots/soldiers. Finally found by my friend.
 

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Good find. ;D

port-side door, aft of wing, provides access to avionics compartment large enough to permit combat rescue of two or three persons on ground, although it lacks windows, heating and ventilation.
 

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Really good find. Looks like all the Mi-28 computers are back there too. Probably makes maintenance easier.
 

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Soviet doctrine in the 1980-90s called for front and rear turrets on combat helicopters. I don't know about other uses, but some kind of light, small design could have been quite useful for escort duty in Afghanistan. It wouldn't even need to have proper control in a hover, just very good stoll capabilities.

Note: I'm not arguing that it is a real design - I'm just arguing that it isn't necessarily a stupid or implausible layout, even for a tilt-rotor.
 

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Matej said:
Shot of the special space inside the Mi-28 for rescue of the other pilots/soldiers. Finally found by my friend.


More from "Helicóptero de Ataque Mil Mi-28" by Edgar Guerrero:
 

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I was enjoying my AM coffee and looking around at Militaryphotos.net when I came across the picture below. Is it real? Or have I fallen victim to another splendid bit of Photoshop work?
It is not fake or photoshop. It was the mockup for an early design variant of mi-28 helicopter. Later, this design was abandoned in favor of the conventional one.
 

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I was enjoying my AM coffee and looking around at Militaryphotos.net when I came across the picture below. Is it real? Or have I fallen victim to another splendid bit of Photoshop work?
It is not fake or photoshop. It was the mockup for an early design variant of mi-28 helicopter. Later, this design was abandoned in favor of the conventional one.
I will add to the answer. Sorry for my english, google translate helps. Mil's designers carried out aerodynamic, strength and weight calculations of promising projects, worked out various options for power plants, schemes and layouts of the Mi-28. Since the customer demanded that the helicopter be equipped with an emergency escape system with ejection seats, and the practice of flight tests carried out at the Mil company showed the difficulty of ensuring the safe shooting of the blades, the developers considered a twin-rotor rotorcraft of the transverse scheme as a priority. It not only guaranteed safe ejection outside the propeller discs, but also made it possible to include a rotorcraft wing in the design. In 1973, a project for such a machine with a takeoff weight of up to 11.5 tons was completed, equipped with two TVZ-117F engines with a capacity of 2800 hp. each with two main rotor diameter 10.3 m and a pushing propeller. Pilot production built an appropriate layout, units and systems were worked out in the OKB departments.

In the mid 70s. the customer revised the concept of using combat rotorcraft. The tactics of combat operations (by analogy with attack aircraft) at a relatively high altitude and speed gave way to tactics of operations at low altitudes with rounding the terrain, which provided the helicopter with high survivability on the battlefield. In this regard, the designers of the cost center in the early 70s, as an initiative, developed technical projects for a number of combat helicopters without additional propulsion means. Among them are helicopter options: a twin-rotor transverse configuration with 8.25 m main rotors and two GTD-10FP engines with a capacity of 1950 hp. each; a single-rotor circuit with a rotor diameter of 14.25 m and two GTD-10FP engines; a single-rotor circuit with a main rotor with a diameter of 16 m and two TVZ-117F engines. The last option was recognized as the most promising for the Mi-28.
 

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@Dave54 - Superb! Thank you for the excellent insight to the history of the Mi-28.
 

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