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Stargazer2006 said:Considering the relative lack of response to all the links I provided to the individual items of this seller over the past couple of days, I thought "Why bother?" but thanks anyway!
DonaldM said:I looked at them and appreciate your efforts, Stargazer2006. I am not sure what you were expecting.
DonaldM said:Also remember that the "Found on eBay" forum is only visible to Senior Members.
DonaldM said:I thought too that this board was created so that select members would have reduced competition when bidding on these items on eBay.
shockonlip said:The thing that is scary is that these things are expensive, there are no returns allowed, and
you usually see only a small subset of pages.
Stargazer2006 said:The "no returns allowed" thing for items of that price is shocking,
Stargazer2006 said:I don't know... I should probably just post links from now on, like others do. At least they get the occasional "Thank you"...
Orionblamblam said:That *IS* positive.
A neutral or negative outlook would start with active antagonism on the part of your fellow man, and move on from there.
Believing that the world is full of faceless bureaucrats, soulless corporations and government bureaus and billions of people who just don't care is, in my experience, wild optimism.
Stargazer2006 said:DonaldM said:I looked at them and appreciate your efforts, Stargazer2006. I am not sure what you were expecting.
Some people on this forum merely copy-paste a link. Or several dozens of them, and think it's cool like that.
Others take the time to save the pics, restore/enhance them, re-transcribe some of the texts for future preservation of the data once the auctions are over. I don't have to do that but it's a passion to share and to preserve information for future reference, so as to add some real value to this forum as opposed to the many sites that merely repeat what others have said.
I believe that these efforts are not fully appreciated (maybe simply not understood). After saving nearly 2000 pics in three days, reworking several dozen of them and starting about 15 topics on what I believe to be never-before-seen material on this forum, I would expect something, yes. Not gratitude, but at least an indication that the work is noticed and that some folks are thrilled over it!
People here can write pages on end about the tiniest antenna on a blurred J-20 or Su-50 photo, they can discuss endlessly and often pointlessly on the merits or the failure of the F-35, but when it comes to what this forum really is about (little known projects) there is often little or no reaction, except from the same two or three guys who know and appreciate the stuff (they know who they are!).
It didn't use to be like that a few years ago, though... When you go over the first few years of the forum, you can feel some genuine enthusiasm at discovering new stuff. Either the forum members are too spoiled and have become sort of blasé, or the real lovers of rare aircraft have gone elsewhere.
I don't know... I should probably just post links from now on, like others do. At least they get the occasional "Thank you"...
PaulMM said:If there's one thing I learned over the years its not to expect thanks in proportion to effort.
Orionblamblam said:If you are doing this (or, let's face it, anything else) for the purposes of acclaim... well, "shallow" comes to mind.
Stargazer2006 said:I can see a huge difference between acclaim and appreciation. Or between acclaim and gratitude... Don't you?
Orionblamblam said:Stargazer2006 said:I can see a huge difference between acclaim and appreciation. Or between acclaim and gratitude... Don't you?
On a practical level? Not much. "Gratitude" is a vague handwavy touchie-feelie concept that is of no greater value than what you can trade it in for.
Let's say you spend fifty man hours preparing an image or a document, you post it, and someone responds with "Thanks!" You've traded fifty hours of work for their five seconds. How is that equitable? It ain't. It ain't even close. So, why do it? You do it because you want to, the single best reason for doing *anything.*
Basing your happiness on others is a doomed prospect, since your closest friend will stab you in the back if it came right down to it.
DonaldM said:Well at least no has called your image posting behavior as an indication of excessive compulsive disorder. It hurt my feelings until I realized that the only opinion that really matters is Paul's opinion as Administrator.
PaulMM said:There are options for "liking" a post or adding "kudos" to a poster, but I've never liked that idea.
DonaldM said:I have never contributed to this forum expecting a thank you.
PaulMM said:There are options for "liking" a post or adding "kudos" to a poster, but I've never liked that idea.
circle-5 said:The problem is when there is a sense of expectation or even entitlement in return for actions that are strictly voluntary.
I think the best way is to never expect anything -- then you are guaranteed never to be disappointed.
PaulMM said:I think it would give people another thing to feel paranoid /depressed about - why don't I have any kudos? Why does that idiot have kudos? Why does nobody like my posts?
Can vote on it though if people think its a good idea.