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I have always hated most of the unions around the world in most categories of work.
Try taking on a multinational without a union behind you when a manager decides he's going to discriminate against you, see how far you get.
 

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I have always hated most of the unions around the world in most categories of work.
Try taking on a multinational without a union behind you when a manager decides he's going to discriminate against you, see how far you get.
Try taking on the Nazis without Joe Stalin. Doesn't means Stalin is any damn good his own self. Things must be measured not against their worst adversary, but based on what they actually are.
 

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Unions are a vital fact of life but they are sometimes just like some management, so full of themselves and their place in the world. A balance is desired.
 

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Unions are a vital fact of life but they are sometimes just like some management, so full of themselves and their place in the world. A balance is desired.
Indeed. Union and management, from my vantage point, worked equally hard to turn the United Technology/Chemical Systems Division rocket testing and production facility south of San Jose, CA, into a ghost town. Both types of organizations are important... and both types are magnets for people interested purely in power.

But once again, unions or the lack of them had seemingly little to do with this incident. This was on the armorer and the actor.
 

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The rumor in Hollywood is that the armorer took the guns out for target shooting during a break.

*IF* that's the case, that's criminal-level insanity.

Not if the weapons are cleared at the end of the range shoot and the ammunition is stored/handled properly.

If a senior actor and producer tells the (inexperienced and young) prop gun wrangler, "it's fine, I know what I'm doing, I checked it", though...

Filming a drama involving weapons, you know these props are going to be pointed at people and the trigger pulled. Checking and rechecking seems reasonable to me.

Lot of blame to go around here.
 

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The rumor in Hollywood is that the armorer took the guns out for target shooting during a break.

*IF* that's the case, that's criminal-level insanity.

Not if the weapons are cleared at the end of the range shoot and the ammunition is stored/handled properly.

Disagree: if a weapon is to be used for a scene, I see no good reason at all why it should be used for anything other than that. If you want to go plinking, use another very different firearm. It's kinda like juggling like explosives. You *could,* but you'd be a dumbass.
 

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The rumor in Hollywood is that the armorer took the guns out for target shooting during a break.

*IF* that's the case, that's criminal-level insanity.

Not if the weapons are cleared at the end of the range shoot and the ammunition is stored/handled properly.

If a senior actor and producer tells the (inexperienced and young) prop gun wrangler, "it's fine, I know what I'm doing, I checked it", though...

Filming a drama involving weapons, you know these props are going to be pointed at people and the trigger pulled. Checking and rechecking seems reasonable to me.

Lot of blame to go around here.

Live ammo shouldn't be on a set at all. This isn't just a union policy, it'll be in an insurance clause.

Militaries have the same kind of rules about contamination and chains of custody but every few years someone gets killed or injured. The worst case I know of was when a French commando somehow managed to shoot 17 civilians during a hostage rescue demonstration. :(
 
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