General Dynamics Model 100 / Cold Pigeon / Sneaky Pete / HAVE KEY

[quellish]

Known at various times as:
Model 100
Sneaky Pete
Cold Pigeon
HAVE KEY (Under USAF Aeronautical Systems Division ownership)
Approximately 1976-1984, evolved into the ATA/A-12.

Sneaky Pete has been mentioned often in other threads, but has no thread of its own. I've recently run across an image of it in a very strange place, and had already collected a timeline of Sneaky Pete information.

So, all in one place now.

 

[quellish]

Source of the new image:

"USAF Unmanned Aircraft Systems Flight Plan 2009-2047"
pg 40
www.fas.org/irp/program/collect/uas_2009.pdf

 

[Orionblamblam]

Source of the new image:

HA! Someone has a sense of humor.

Triple-damned raiders at it again...

 

[Matej]

Looks a bit StarWars-ish, but the general configuration corresponds with what we are expecting.

 

[dannydale]

That, my friends, is a Zephyr 109 light aerospace fighter. Compared to your average Aurora starfury, it sucks. Any advanced alien fighters would completely pwn them in detail.

 

[bipa]

Bit late for an April fool...
Easter egg maybe?

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

Collecting together what we have on this design. Quellish can probably add something more

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

Comparison to 1979 Northrop Low Altitude Penetrator

I believe this has the same basic concept of low front quarter RCS as Sneaky Pete, with rear aspect less important.

 

[sublight_]

I'm wondering why they called it "Sneaky Pete". That is a popular colloquialism from back in the day. A sneaky pete was a pool cue used by a hustler that looks like a cheap beat up house cue, but it's really deadly in the hands of a skilled player...

 

[Stargazer]

I'm wondering why they called it "Sneaky Pete". That is a popular colloquialism from back in the day. A sneaky pete was a pool cue used by a hustler that looks like a cheap beat up house cue, but it's really deadly in the hands of a skilled player...

The terms "sneaky pete" / "sneeky pete" also refer to a whole series of sexual behaviors usually connected to sodomy... For the demonstrator of an elusive stealth aircraft meant to penetrate enemy lines unnoticed, it does make some sense to me... :

 

[bobbymike]

I'm wondering why they called it "Sneaky Pete". That is a popular colloquialism from back in the day. A sneaky pete was a pool cue used by a hustler that looks like a cheap beat up house cue, but it's really deadly in the hands of a skilled player...

The terms "sneaky pete" / "sneeky pete" also refer to a whole series of sexual behaviors usually connected to sodomy... For the demonstrator of an elusive stealth aircraft meant to penetrate enemy lines unnoticed, it does make some sense to me... :

TMI Dude

 

[GeorgeA]

Looks like a B-2ish shape bled through on Overscan's second pic. I'm guessing that was the "high-altitude concept"?

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

Yes George - see topic here:

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,214.msg16758.html#msg16758

 

[GeorgeA]

Thanks for the pointer Paul.

 

[dan_inbox]

The terms "sneaky pete" / "sneeky pete" also refer to a whole series of sexual behaviors usually connected to sodomy... For the demonstrator of an elusive stealth aircraft meant to penetrate enemy lines unnoticed, it does make some sense to me...

This other definition makes even more sense:
"When you start and finish sex with your partner while they remain asleep."
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sneaky pete (2nd )

 

[Mr London 24/7]

I must confess that (admittedly by my ageing/flaky memory) I thought this was allegedly so named in connection with Charles 'Pete' Winters, who was a Test Pilot and Vice Commander/Commander of AFFTC DET3 in the same rough period?:

More obvious here:

http://www.supersabresociety.com/bios/wintersbio.pdf

Less so here...:

BRIGADIER GENERAL CHARLES P. "PETE" WINTERS

Brigadier General Charles P. "Pete" Winters is deputy chief of staff for test and resources, Headquarters Air Force Systems Command, Andrews Air Force Base, Md. The newly formed Test and Resources

www.af.mil

Maybe wrong, perhaps everything is just about Sex after all!

 

[aim9xray]

From the bio: "BQM-34 (Classified)". Really? Hmmm.

 

[Vulcan652]

I'm wondering why they called it "Sneaky Pete". That is a popular colloquialism from back in the day. A sneaky pete was a pool cue used by a hustler that looks like a cheap beat up house cue, but it's really deadly in the hands of a skilled player...

The terms "sneaky pete" / "sneeky pete" also refer to a whole series of sexual behaviors usually connected to sodomy... For the demonstrator of an elusive stealth aircraft meant to penetrate enemy lines unnoticed, it does make some sense to me... :

The sexual connection does seem to make sense, especially with the "penetrator" label attached the certain stealth designs!


That said, I've always thought of Peter "Sneaky Pete" Kleinow who played with the Flying Burrito Brothers. I'm probably clutching at some serious straws here, but since Sneaky Pete the aircraft supposedly grew into the ATA - known as the Flying Dorito - and Flying Dorito rhymes with Flying Burrito... well, need I say more! There are some serious flaws in that idea, granted, but nonetheless it got me thinking.

 

[archipeppe]

Collecting together what we have on this design. Quellish can probably add something more

Is the ATF-SLO a sort of forerunner of the A-12 Avenger II of late 80's??

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

Collecting together what we have on this design. Quellish can probably add something more

Is the ATF-SLO a sort of forerunner of the A-12 Avenger II of late 80's??

ATF-SLO is a version of the General Dynamics Sneaky Pete design offered to ATF concept definition studies. A-12 Avenger was based on Sneaky Pete work.

 

[Orionblamblam]

Comparison to 1979 Northrop Low Altitude Penetrator

FYI...
http://www.aerospaceprojectsreview.com/blog/?p=2647

 

[Stargazer]

Superb design and outstanding artwork, Scott, thanks.

It's interesting to notice that at a time when faceted surfaces were all the rage, Northrop had already pretty much established its trademark blended cockpit and intakes, which were carried over in Tacit Blue, the B-2 and now the B-21.

 

[Orionblamblam]

Superb design and outstanding artwork, Scott, thanks.

It's interesting to notice that at a time when faceted surfaces were all the rage, Northrop had already pretty much established its trademark blended cockpit and intakes, which were carried over in Tacit Blue, the B-2 and now the B-21.

"Blended" was long the goal. The F-117 was designed when computers couldn't handle the math, but once they *could,* then the issue was solved.

 

[sublight_]

Has anyone ever floated the idea that Sneaky Pete may be "the artichoke"? If you look at the General Dynamics ATF designs you will see a model with serrated trailing edges. These serrated edge models were wind tested.

 

[publiusr]

That's just an F-22 after being bitten by The Meg.

I have a Galoob raider toy…btw