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Hi,

a friend told me that,he heard about a variant from Fokker G-1 into a light transport
aircraft project,is that right ?.
 

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Well you could argue that the P147 and P160 projects, of which of posted 3-views, or the F-25 Promotor are related to the G-1, but somehow I feel that such a suggestion stretches a bit too far. For the same token one could argue that they are all related to the Fokker D-23, another twin tail boom aircraft. I believe that any such argument should be backed further by references from that era and not but assumptions made by somebody at a much later date.
 

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Jos Heyman said:
Well you could argue that the P147 and P160 projects, of which of posted 3-views, or the F-25 Promotor are related to the G-1, but somehow I feel that such a suggestion stretches a bit too far. For the same token one could argue that they are all related to the Fokker D-23, another twin tail boom aircraft. I believe that any such argument should be backed further by references from that era and not but assumptions made by somebody at a much later date.

Thank you my dear Jos,


and of course,the P.147,P.160 and F-25 are very close to D.XXIII rather than any Fokker
aircraft,but my friend saw a drawing to G-1 as a transport aircraft in a magazine,may be
fake or just a hypothetical design.


I am waiting the answer from anther site,and I hope to know the truth.
 

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Nothing about a light transport variant of the G.1 is mentioned or illustrated
in the two-very extensive- books about the Fokker G.1 published
by Lanasta- Violaero the Netherlands...

Besides ,as told before the 'P' designator was not used by Fokker at that time.
The article in the Aeroplane Monthly Feb.1989 mentioned them
as Design ,ontwerp in Dutch, 127-104A-132 etc.
 

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lark said:
Nothing about a light transport variant of the G.1 is mentioned or illustrated
in the two-very extensive- books about the Fokker G.1 published
by Lanasta- Violaero the Netherlands...

Yes my dear Lark,


I just get confirm about this from anther site,the drawing which saw by my friend may
be a hypothetical or fake design,nothing more than that.
 

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Hi,


here is some Fokker civil airliner projects,the F.XVII variants,F.XXI clearer drawing,F.XXXVII
with its data and F.56 also with its data.


Fokker Commercial Aircraft. From the F.I. of 1918 up to the Fokker 100 of Today
 

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Hi,

here is a drawings to Fokker F.XXXVII and F.XXIII.
 

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Its surprising how similar these look to Armstrong-Whitworth projects. So often designers came up with the same solution to meet customers' requirements
 

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There was some communication between Fokker and Armstrong Whitworth on aircraft development.
Quote from "Armstrong Whitworth Aircraft since 1913" by Oliver Tapper, Putnam 1973 on the design of the A.W. XV Atalanta:
The four 340 hp Double Mongoose were positioned on the leading edge of the wing and carefully faired into the wing profile. Lloyd remembers discussing this feature with Anthony Fokker who expressed the opinion that radial engines on the leading edge might be all right, but he wouldn't like to be the first to try it.
John Lloyd - A.W. chief designer.
 

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Lloyd would have been confident with the engine layout, he had tested it in the company's wind tunnel and similar studies had been done earlier by the NPL. I'm not sure why Fokker would have had doubts
 

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During the 20s and early 30s Fokker was not the most innovative of companies. The point is, John Lloyd and Anthony Fokker were *discussing* aircraft design. As to your remark about the similarities between Fokker and Armstrong Whitworth airliners - that struck me too.
 

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I agree with my dear Arjen.
 

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Interesting drawings of the F.23 and F.37 Hesham,
where have you found them ?
 

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My dear Lark,

here's the source;

http://www.nederlandseluchtvaart.nl/forums/showthread.php?40043-Fokker-F-XXXVI-PH-AJA-Arend/page3
 

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Hi,

does anyone hear about Fokker F.40 ?.
 

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:) http://www.fokker-aircraft.com/database/fokker-f-type/fokker-f-40.html
 

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Hi,

The Fokker Ontwerp 108 was a twin pusher engined passenger and transport Monoplane Project,
powered by two Junkers Jumo engines.
 

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In my files,

the Fokker Ontwerp 116 was a passenger and transport airplane Project of 1934,powered
by two 712 hp Wright Cyclone engines.
 

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Hi,

the Fokker Ontwerp 117 was also a passenger transport airplane Project of 1934,
powered by two 712 hp Wright Cyclone engines.
 

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Hi,

the Fokker Ontwerp 118 was a passenger transport monoplane Project of 1934,powered
by two P&W Wasp engines,if anyone has a drawings to this Project and previous that will
be great if send them,thanks.
 

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Hi,

the Fokker Ontwerp 121 was a twin engined mailplane Project of 1935,no more
Info are known.
 

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Hi,

the Fokker Ontwerp 128 was a twin engined passenger transport monoplane Project
of 1936.
 

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Hi,

the Fokker Ontwerp 133 was a large passenger transport airplane Project of 1936,
powered by four engines.
 

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The type discriptions are better on their place
in the Fokker designation file I think...
 

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lark said:
The type descriptions are better on their place
in the Fokker designation file I think...
My dear Lark,

I displayed them here to find if anyone has a drawings or more Infos about them,and that is
we couldn't do in Designation section.
 

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hesham said:
...and that is we couldn't do in Designation section.
But lark is quite right, I think, recapitulating the descriptions of the designations section is of
no use, but rather confusing those threads, that are intended for showing drawings or at least
additional data (exceeding what is given in the designations section).
If someone has more stuff about, say, civil Fokker projects, he (or she !) will use the search function,
notice that it isn't mentioned in detail still yet and post it here, or in another suitable thread. ;)
 

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OK my dear Jemiba.
 

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Excellent !

Source please ?
 

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OK my dear Lark,

the happy forgot me the source;

http://www.nederlandseluchtvaart.nl/forums/showthread.php?40187-Fokker-F-40-Information-need
 

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Thanks for the effort..
 

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I look into text on Drawings

Seems the Fokker F40 or Type 180 aka Fokker Intercontinental is long-range airliner with cargo.
they worked from end 1930 up to 1944 !

it's only carry around 24 people and Crew (pilots, cook and stewards)
but provides sleeping beds by transform the bench - (four 4 person and five 2 person compartments)
it also feature a lounge for 17 people and can be divided into dinner room for 12 people and small room for 8.

Fokker study several configuration on seats and arrangement, 16 to 24 passenger
sadly no info about the Engines and Range of this airliner
but i bet it's was planed for Transatlantic flight and route Netherlands - Indonesia
 
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