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Hi,

http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/2004/2004-00%20-%200036.html
 

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ARES mars aeroplane page here, a different configuration to hesham's post, with paper model,

http://marsairplane.larc.nasa.gov/platform.html

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the thing they gloss over with Ares is is it powered and if so how? Or is it just a glider? (Seems like a waste spend all that time to get it there for a few minutes of glide time. Why not just send a balloon if that were the case?)
 
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the graphic shows some kind of rocket engine.

was this a use and throw type system?
 

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sferrin said:
the thing they gloss over with Ares is is it powered and if so how? Or is it just a glider? (Seems like a waste spend all that time to get it there for a few minutes of glide time. Why not just send a balloon if that were the case?)

The atmospheric density on Mars is apparently such, that a balloon with a useful payload is not viable. Which also means those winged aircraft will have to be flying fast, making the propulsion question even more tricky (I suspect a propeller would not work well at all).

BTW, extraterrestrial balloons have been used with great success by the Soviet Union on Venus.
 

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there was CNES Program VESTA for Mars Balloon

October 1985 join venture USSR-France for twin Mars Probe
(first version was Soviet Probe carring a French Probe to Vesta asteroid.)
later became this a soviet Marsrover and French Balloon Probe for 1992 mission.

JLP had also balloon probe in form of double balloon by jacques Blamont for a 1994 mission

however with thin Mars atmosphere a balloon has low payload

back to Mars glider
first proposal came from JLP in 1977
300 kg motor glider with hydrazine fueled 11.2 kilowatt engine
the steam powered a propeller of4.5 meter ø
wingspan of 21 meters by length 6.5 meters

the glider fly in 8 km height for 4000 km in 15 hours
lands vertical and analyse the soil and start vertical
payload 40 kg

source "Race to Mars" by Frank Miles 1988
 

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Hi,

http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1986/1986%20-%201605.html?search=flight%20on%20mars
 

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a JPL Mars Sample Return Mission
since Viking they came up with Sample return mission.

Robert Zubrin Proposed Mars Sample mission in stile of Mars Direct

no orbital rendezvous with returnstage.
the return stage land empty on mars (on top of lander stage)
refuel with help mars atmosphere and hydrogene (in Lander stage)
made to LCH4 / LOX for return stage.

in same time a rover collect samples of mars soil, rock and ice
put them in return stage and Blast off.
 

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Hi,

Martian gliders.
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1999/1999%20-%200432.html?search=boeing%20sonic%20cruiser%20project
 

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Another link from NASA...

http://marsairplane.larc.nasa.gov/platform.html
 

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Hi,

the Mars Aeroplanes Ares.

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20040034201_2004028320.pdf
 

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Michel Van said:
back to Mars glider
first proposal came from JLP in 1977
300 kg motor glider with hydrazine fueled 11.2 kilowatt engine
the steam powered a propeller of4.5 meter ø
wingspan of 21 meters by length 6.5 meters

If you are talking funded proposal than you may be right. However, Wernher von Braun Made a proposal much earlier.

These lo-res scans are from The Art of Chesley Bonestell by Ron Miller and Frederick C. Durant III, Paper Tiger, 2001.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmZiOKjYMyI
 

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Hi,


here is the Exploration of Mars in 1953,an imagination by Chesley Bonestell.


Treasures of the National Air and Space Museum
 

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