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So it seems F-22 production will end at 187 units.
Is this the right decision?
Is this the right decision?
A top Pentagon official has informed the US Congress that Syria is set to purchase Russia’s advanced Mig-31 fighter jet, a move which Jerusalem hopes to counter by obtaining the superior F-22 stealth fighter.
Meanwhile, the Israeli Air Force has expressed renewed interest in buying the Lockheed Martin built F-22 “fifth generation” fighter, which so far has only been sold to the US military. Congress will be discussing the F-22 next month, and there is widespread speculation that the ban on selling the aircraft abroad will be lifted, as the production line for the aircraft is in danger of shutting down.
They're going to shut down production? Or just not order any more?
mmmm, it depends from what will happen in the Far East and with Iran, I think.
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A top Pentagon official has informed the US Congress that Syria is set to purchase Russia’s advanced Mig-31 fighter jet, a move which Jerusalem hopes to counter by obtaining the superior F-22 stealth fighter.
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Meanwhile, the Israeli Air Force has expressed renewed interest in buying the Lockheed Martin built F-22 “fifth generation” fighter, which so far has only been sold to the US military. Congress will be discussing the F-22 next month, and there is widespread speculation that the ban on selling the aircraft abroad will be lifted, as the production line for the aircraft is in danger of shutting down.
http://www.icej.org/article/israel_syria_seek_next_generation_aircraft
From what I've read the new administration has upheld the previous one's position that the Raptor will not be sold to any other nation...I would bet that LockMart will lobby very, very hard to get that changed but my money is that they won't prevail...
We will increase the buy of Littoral Combat Ships (LCS) – a key capability for presence, stability, and counterinsurgency operations in coastal regions – from two to three ships in FY 2010. Our goal is to eventually acquire 55 of these ships.
7. To replace the Air Force’s aging tanker fleet, we will maintain the KC-X aerial re-fueling tanker schedule and funding, with the intent to solicit bids this summer.
Second, we will terminate the Air Force Combat Search and Rescue X (CSAR-X) helicopter program. This program has a troubled acquisition history and raises the fundamental question of whether this important mission can only be accomplished by yet another single-service solution with single-purpose aircraft. We will take a fresh look at the requirement behind this program and develop a more sustainable approach.
We will cancel the second airborne laser (ABL) prototype aircraft. We will keep the existing aircraft and shift the program to an R&D effort. The ABL program has significant affordability and technology problems and the program’s proposed operational role is highly questionable.
Fifth, in this request, we will include funds to complete the buy of two navy destroyers in FY10. These plans depend on being able to work out contracts to allow the Navy to efficiently build all three DDG-1000 class ships at Bath Iron Works in Maine and to smoothly restart the DDG-51 Aegis Destroyer program at Northrop Grumman’s Ingalls shipyard in Mississippi. Even if these arrangements work out, the DDG-1000 program would end with the third ship and the DDG-51 would continue to be built in both yards.
If our efforts with industry are unsuccessful, the department will likely build only a single prototype DDG-1000 at Bath and then review our options for restarting production of the DDG-51. If the department is left to pursue this alternative, it would unfortunately reduce our overall procurement of ships and cut workload in both shipyards.
Sixth, and finally, we will significantly restructure the Army’s Future Combat Systems (FCS) program.
• In FY10, we will begin the replacement program for the Ohio class ballistic missile submarine program.
• We will not pursue a development program for a follow-on Air Force bomber until we have a better understanding of the need, the requirement, and the technology.
• We will terminate the Multiple Kill Vehicle (MKV) program because of its significant technical challenges and the need to take a fresh look at the requirement
• We will shift the Navy Aircraft Carrier program to a five-year build cycle placing it on a more fiscally sustainable path. This will result in 10 carriers after 2040.
4. To better protect our forces and those of our allies in theater from ballistic missile attack, we will add $700 million to field more of our most capable theater missile defense systems, specifically the terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) System and Standard Missile 3 (SM-3) programs.
CFE said:With the price of the F-35 ballooning, the F-22 seems like a better buy for the AF. So when the AF buys its lot of F-35A's, it's getting a lower top speed, no supercruise, less stealth, and less maneuverability. Doesn't sound like a great deal to me.
There is no actual evidence to support the claim that F-35 cost is ballooning. Just a lot of conjecture based on comparisons to projects that happened 10-20 years ago without today's technology. While there may be sticker price cost rises they are due to INFLATION and not particularly relevant to a cost comparison test. Cost of the F-35 is actually been driven down. Even in LRIP they are achieving 3-5% savings each year on predicted cost. It will be far more affordable than the F-22 and not need the kind of costly upgrades the F-22 will demand to stay relevant.
KJ_Lesnick said:Still, I'm surprised so few F-22's were built. I figured at least 220 to 250 of them would have been built.
Regarding the F-35 weapon's system, it's kind of funny, you'd think they'd just fit the F-22 with that infrared/optical system that the JSF had and they'd have the high-speed performance and the JSF's weapon systems too which sounds like a win-win.
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r16 said:barring some interesting event like a comet striking earth , we will all be here when the F-35 is cancelled at some minor production number to allow more unmanned combat equipment , which will be far cheaper , at least on paper . It is a good thing we still have Phantoms . America , eat your heart out .
As I think Abraham Gubler may have already said elsewhere, the backfitting of equipment to the F-22 isn't such a simple matter.
Maybe Lockmart can develop a dedicated anti-pirate version to go along with the Anti-IED variant (alright, technically it was not supposed to be a purpose built version) they were proposing:flateric said:what happens when one idiot tries to come for help
nope. It lacks the stealth and raw performance of the f-22. Being one engine, with similar max fuel, it should have similar range. It has more "up-to-date" sensors to allow it to work in a system of system environment, unlike the f-22, which needs serious upgrades to bring it up to date. The two are built around not just two different emphasis, but also two different combat doctrines. One is a lone tiger, while the other is a pack of wolves.airman said:so F-35 seems "brother" version of F-22 with one engine than two of their major brother !![]()
From the actual (few) informations we have,appear who F-15 silent eagle will be mostly destined to foreign market,with at actual estimated demand of about 190 unity.Triton said:Will the US Air Force buy the Boeing F-15 Silent Eagle in the interim? Or will the F-15 Silent Eagle be an export only aircraft?
But the thing is how APA stretched GAO's report into cutting the JSF completely, proposing Marines to get f-22 (pretty much bordering McInerney's pirate killing f-22 proposal) and Navy to get a canard (retractable?) f-22 instead.voidmage said:Above all,i believe in facts (better if backed by verifiables numbers).
If i must chose between two source,i chose that who have demonstred the capacity to accurately predict parametric variations, in a precise time window,of a particular aspect on the planned project.
Three years ago a triennal cost projection(10-06-2006 www.ausairpower.net/APA_606-05-11_Pt2-41_10Jun06.pdf) elaborated by ausairpower on the 2005 GAO predicted a AUPC (Average Unit ProcurementCost) of about US$ 94.08 million (December 2005-on planned 2006 dollar value)with a projectional cost of US$ 97,04 million for 2008 (it was almost precise,but anyhow wronged........for defect!). The response(with wide, mixed use of “strong”and “scoffing” phrases......but with way less numbers)was who, for end of 2008,the unity cost will be not superior to(2008) US$ 80,2 (but only for the initial Low Rate Initial Production-LRIP)and probably a AUPC of no more than US$ 68 ml.
Facts (GAO survey)have followed ausairpower’s predictions(and,of course, of major worldwide experts on the field) and that have also caused some concerns into allied military circles and media
www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1233304711616&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
donnage99 said:But the thing is how APA stretched GAO's report into cutting the JSF completely, proposing Marines to get f-22 (pretty much bordering McInerney's pirate killing f-22 proposal) and Navy to get a canard (retractable?) f-22 instead.voidmage said:Above all,i believe in facts (better if backed by verifiables numbers).
If i must chose between two source,i chose that who have demonstred the capacity to accurately predict parametric variations, in a precise time window,of a particular aspect on the planned project.
Three years ago a triennal cost projection(10-06-2006 www.ausairpower.net/APA_606-05-11_Pt2-41_10Jun06.pdf) elaborated by ausairpower on the 2005 GAO predicted a AUPC (Average Unit ProcurementCost) of about US$ 94.08 million (December 2005-on planned 2006 dollar value)with a projectional cost of US$ 97,04 million for 2008 (it was almost precise,but anyhow wronged........for defect!). The response(with wide, mixed use of “strong”and “scoffing” phrases......but with way less numbers)was who, for end of 2008,the unity cost will be not superior to(2008) US$ 80,2 (but only for the initial Low Rate Initial Production-LRIP)and probably a AUPC of no more than US$ 68 ml.
Facts (GAO survey)have followed ausairpower’s predictions(and,of course, of major worldwide experts on the field) and that have also caused some concerns into allied military circles and media
www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1233304711616&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
As for the article on f-35 hitting 100 millions price tag for israel: isn't it known that early procurement of the f-35 will result in unreasonably enormous cost for each plane as production is slow in the beginning. That's what Israel should expect if it wants to get the plane before other countries do. It's a curved price tag, common knowledge for every single program in history. It's nothing to hit your head and say "breaking news!"