Evolution of the Henschel Hs 130

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Hi,

see the versions of the Henschel Hs.130.
 

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Thanks Mav [and Happy Holidays, all]

Those drawings were done by Dennis Punnet and originally appeared in William Green's "War Planes of the Second World War, Volume 10" (Macdonald, 1968).
 

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It seems to me that those drawings are neither original nor accurate, especially concerning Hs.130a.

Hs.130a is a high-altitude Aufklarer (recon), the crew is only 2 pilots, no any guns.

So it can't have battlecabin! It appears only on bomber Hs130c.

Here is Hs.130a V-1: just stepped nose like usual passenger aircraft. Funny, but this photo (although in a bad quality) is placed also in Flieger Revue. So it's just non accurate job from the "compiler" of this article.

Look also on Hs.130e: it's Hs.130a with additional 5th engine (before this system was tested on the Soviet bomber ANT-42/TB-7/Pe-8). So the nose sections of Hs.130a and Hs.130e are the same.
 

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According to Phil Butler, the Hs 130 has been mixed up with the Hs 128
quite often. The remains of the aircraft, that were at RAF Kenley during
1946/1947 and reported to be HS 130A-0, are said to belong to the Hs 128 V-2
in fact. And in Kens/Novarra it is stated, too, that for the Hs 130 the configuration
of the Hs 128 was used, but with an retractable landing gear. So the fully glazed
nose really seems not to be very plausible for the prototype.
(Old drawings, low quality, sorry)
 

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Jemiba, thank you.

Very nice sketch and is more similar on the Hs.130a.

But if we look on Hs.128...

according to Green the span is 26m. But in the sketch the span is equal 29m
The fuselage length:
Green - 14,8m,
Baganz's sketch - 13,3m
The angle between fuselage back and fin forward edge is very different in left and right views.

So it's pleasant to see but I would not recommend to build the scale model using this drawing ;)
 

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"I would not recommend to build the scale model using this drawing"

Me too ! :-\
I'll try to find the sketches I've used as a basis for the drawings, I'm
not sure, but I think, they were from old FliegerRevue issues, very small
ones, that I still remember, but then I had no others available.
What I thought to be most important was, that Hs 128 and Hs 130 were
often mixed up in publications.
 

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henschel hs 128 and 130.

Hi all.
I know the Hs 128 and some versions of the Hs 130.
but I've nothing for the 4 engined Hs 130F.
I thank you if someone could give me something
about this version.
An happy new year for all the menbers of this site.
Bye
 

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Re: henschel hs 128 and 130.

Sorry mate ;),

can`t add more on this. I knew it from several sources, but data are scant. I sure hope this would be using the Hs130C fuselage and cabin. What a handsome aircraft it would be.
 

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Re: henschel hs 128 and 130.

Quote from Warplanes of the Third Reich - William Green.

"The difficulties experiemced with the HZ Anlage, not least of which was its fuel consumption, led, in 1943, to proposals to produce the Hs 130F powered by four BMW 801TJ turbo-supercharged 14-cylinder, radial, air-cooled engines each rated at 1,800 h.p for take-off and 1,500 h.p at 40,000 ft. The airframe of the Hs 130F was essentially similar to that of the Hs 130E, apart from wing structure changes to permit the installation of the four radial engines, and the Development Department of the RLM was sufficiently impressed by the proposal to recommend the immediate construction of this promiosing aircraft. However increasing shortages of strategic materials, coupled with the early development stage then reached by the BMW 801TJ motivated against the acceptance of this recommendation, and the Hs 130F project was shelved."

Regards Bailey.
 

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Re: henschel hs 128 and 130.

Bailey said:
Quote from Warplanes of the Third Reich - William Green.

"The difficulties experiemced with the HZ Anlage, not least of which was its fuel consumption, led, in 1943, to proposals to produce the Hs 130F powered by four BMW 801TJ turbo-supercharged 14-cylinder, radial, air-cooled engines each rated at 1,800 h.p for take-off and 1,500 h.p at 40,000 ft. The airframe of the Hs 130F was essentially similar to that of the Hs 130E, apart from wing structure changes to permit the installation of the four radial engines, and the Development Department of the RLM was sufficiently impressed by the proposal to recommend the immediate construction of this promiosing aircraft. However increasing shortages of strategic materials, coupled with the early development stage then reached by the BMW 801TJ motivated against the acceptance of this recommendation, and the Hs 130F project was shelved."

Regards Bailey.

Apparently, the fuel consumption from the three Daimler-Benz engines was a limiting factor as well....
 

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The Henschel factory build/designed on the line of the Hs-128 and the Hs-130 a twin engined high altitude bomber, the Hs-130C.
Who can help me with all kind of details/materials concerning these aeroplanes/project?
Interresting would be, dimensions/drawings/cut away drawing/pictures/details concerning the armament etc.etc.
Jan
 

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Impressive collection Justo! As Jan implied in his query, there was no direct connection between the Hs 130A and Hs 130C. The designation was a ruse to hide from the Führungsstab der Luftwaffe the fact that an essentially new design was being added to 'Bomber B'.

Unbuilt projects in the original, high-altitude Hs 130 sequence were:
- Hs 130B: a bomber version of the Hs 130A, mock-up built 1941
- Hs 130D: Hs 130A variant with DB 605s (2-stage DVL/Argus superchargers), 1941
-- Hs 130D eclipsed by P.80/Hs 130E series with HZ-Anlage supercharger system
- Hs 130F: Hs 130E development, 4 x BMW 801TJ (or DB 603) repl. HZ-Anlage system
-- BMW 801TJ Hs 130F construction ordered but none built due to material shortages
 

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Hi! I can't understand bottom one's concept. Someone please explain me. :-[
 

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blackkite said:
Hi! I can't understand bottom one's concept. Someone please explain me. :-[

The bottom concept has a big additional "central compressor" (Z) that is driven mechanically by a separate third engine (M3). All the three motors (M1,M2,M3) have also their own small mechanical compressors (L1,L2,L3).
 

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Thansk mz! Why are Z divided into 2 piece?
I can't imagine air pass from forward Z to after Z. :-[
 

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blackkite said:
I can't imagine air pass from forward Z to after Z. :-[

I think, you are speaking about the red marked tube ?
That was to feed the compressor of the internal engine, I think
 

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Jemiba said:
blackkite said:
I can't imagine air pass from forward Z to after Z. :-[

I think, you are speaking about the red marked tube ?
That was to feed the compressor of the internal engine, I think
Hi Jemiba!
I want to know the air flow route from "Lufteintritt" to K through Z.
 

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Apparently you have it backwards. "Z" is the main first stage supercharger (compressor) for all three engines. The flow goes from there through the intercoolers "K"and then to " L1"," L2", and "L3"the the second stage superchargers(compressors) on each of the three engines.
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Artie Bob said:
Apparently you have it backwards. "Z" is the main first stage supercharger (compressor) for all three engines. The flow goes from there through the intercoolers "K"and then to " L1"," L2", and "L3"the the second stage superchargers(compressors) on each of the three engines.
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Hi! I can understand what you mean, but I can not understand the structure of Z. Why Z divided into 2 parts?
 

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blackkite said:
Artie Bob said:
Apparently you have it backwards. "Z" is the main first stage supercharger (compressor) for all three engines. The flow goes from there through the intercoolers "K"and then to " L1"," L2", and "L3"the the second stage superchargers(compressors) on each of the three engines.
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Hi! I can understand what you mean, but I can not understand the structure of Z. Why Z divided into 2 parts?

First and second stage.
 

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Thanks mz again. I understand. As a result this system supplied 3 stage highly compressed air to every 3 engines.
This system must be radically increase Hs-130's service ceiling.
 

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To add a twist to the Hs 130 story, here is the Japanese connection. Included here are three scans of notes taken by a Japanese delegation on the Hs 130 program. The Japanese were very interested in the pressure cabin and high-altitude capabilities of the Hs 130 to further their own developments.


Allied intelligence, at the time, believed that the Japanese had data on the Hs 130. They were right!


Source: Tatsuo Hasegawa and Akio Yamazaki's "Vision:Secret Development Record of the High Altitude Fighter Plane Ki-94 B-29 Interceptor"
 

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Just some additions:

The end of the Hs 127 in 1940..
 

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From Flugzeug 2/1999,


here is a drawing to Henschel Hs.130,you feel it looks like Hs.128 ?.
 

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hesham said:
...,you feel it looks like Hs.128 ?.

If sources availabe are correct, the first Hs 130 was externally very similar to the
Hs 128, having led quite often to the two types mixed up, see earlier posts.
 

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Hi,


here is the Henschel P.80,or Hs.130E.
 

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Apophenia said:
Impressive collection Justo! As Jan implied in his query, there was no direct connection between the Hs 130A and Hs 130C. The designation was a ruse to hide from the Führungsstab der Luftwaffe the fact that an essentially new design was being added to 'Bomber B'.

The Hs 130 C, illustrated by T. Hitchcock, from Monogram's Close-Up #02:
 

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A clearer view to DVL concept of 1937.

http://adl-luftfahrthistorik.de/dok/Henschel_Hs_128.pdf
 

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Hi!
 

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