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SA-2 clone makes more sense as it was a less advanced SAM than the SA-6.
 

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Speaking of the SA-2 Guideline is there a thread about it because I can't seem to be able to find one?
 

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They had an indigenous SA-2, any upgrade projects?

Yes. In fact the most advanced form of SA-2 so far. Egyptian goes phased array for it

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The radar tho seems to be deriviative from Chinese H-200 Radar for KS-1 system.
Nonetheless this one is far superior to any Eastern Europe or Russian upgrades for SA-2 system. It address key weaknesses in old S-75 system, namely the angle tracking method and numbers of target and missile channels.

The old S-75 use Track while scan method which roughly two conical scan radar in two dimensions (azimuth and elevation) This method works good but vulnerable to inverse gain jamming and sensitive to target RCS scintillation phenomenon, where the fluctuation of target RCS affects the tracking quality of the radar which makes the missile oversteers or rather inaccurate (thus large warheads).

This new phased array is monopulse which eliminates above weaknesses, also making it less susceptible to jamming and maybe even provide LPI capability as it can have low sidelobe. Agile beamsteering allows tracking and engagement of multiple targets simultaneously, something SNR-75 can only dream of.
 

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Also SAM-6 is upgrated with many new features;

 

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I'm not seeing what those new features are.
Of course it is still secret;

Egypt has developed SAM-6 systems into several categories, the most important of which is the advanced Buk-M1-2 version, and there are other versions specific to Egypt, but the development details are not known. The number of batteries is 14 batteries, according to what is announced only
 

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I'm not seeing what those new features are.
Of course it is still secret;

Egypt has developed SAM-6 systems into several categories, the most important of which is the advanced Buk-M1-2 version, and there are other versions specific to Egypt, but the development details are not known. The number of batteries is 14 batteries, according to what is announced only
Yeah, Egypt is like the inverse of Iran, doesn't like to divulge new missile systems but instead keeps them a secret which is a good tactic
 

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They had an indigenous SA-2, any upgrade projects?

Yes. In fact the most advanced form of SA-2 so far. Egyptian goes phased array for it

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The radar tho seems to be deriviative from Chinese H-200 Radar for KS-1 system.
Nonetheless this one is far superior to any Eastern Europe or Russian upgrades for SA-2 system. It address key weaknesses in old S-75 system, namely the angle tracking method and numbers of target and missile channels.

The old S-75 use Track while scan method which roughly two conical scan radar in two dimensions (azimuth and elevation) This method works good but vulnerable to inverse gain jamming and sensitive to target RCS scintillation phenomenon, where the fluctuation of target RCS affects the tracking quality of the radar which makes the missile oversteers or rather inaccurate (thus large warheads).

This new phased array is monopulse which eliminates above weaknesses, also making it less susceptible to jamming and maybe even provide LPI capability as it can have low sidelobe. Agile beamsteering allows tracking and engagement of multiple targets simultaneously, something SNR-75 can only dream of.
Is that superior thing an Egyptian-Upgrade or an upgrade that egypt procurred from other
 

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Do you have anything else to share? I'm info-hungry and you seem like a person with great prowess.

Not so much,and I am Egyptian,but no informations are available.
 

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They had an indigenous SA-2, any upgrade projects?

Yes. In fact the most advanced form of SA-2 so far. Egyptian goes phased array for it

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The radar tho seems to be deriviative from Chinese H-200 Radar for KS-1 system.
Nonetheless this one is far superior to any Eastern Europe or Russian upgrades for SA-2 system. It address key weaknesses in old S-75 system, namely the angle tracking method and numbers of target and missile channels.

The old S-75 use Track while scan method which roughly two conical scan radar in two dimensions (azimuth and elevation) This method works good but vulnerable to inverse gain jamming and sensitive to target RCS scintillation phenomenon, where the fluctuation of target RCS affects the tracking quality of the radar which makes the missile oversteers or rather inaccurate (thus large warheads).

This new phased array is monopulse which eliminates above weaknesses, also making it less susceptible to jamming and maybe even provide LPI capability as it can have low sidelobe. Agile beamsteering allows tracking and engagement of multiple targets simultaneously, something SNR-75 can only dream of.
Sources (not to be pretentious or anything, i just dont have enough sources to write an article about Egyptian SAM capabilities)
 

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Dear member Gaafar here are some elements found on defense-arabic website, which we need to translate to all of us, members of SPF.with the help of google translator, we surely arrive so it is an article about the Egyptian air defense systems especially the SA-2 Morning Bird and Sinai 23.
 

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Dear member Gaafar here are some elements found on defense-arabic website, which we need to translate to all of us, members of SPF.with the help of google translator, we surely arrive so it is an article about the Egyptian air defense systems especially the SA-2 Morning Bird and Sinai 23.
Tayyr Al Sabah translates to Morning Bird in english, do you have anything else brother?
 

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Dear member Gaafar here are some elements found on defense-arabic website, which we need to translate to all of us, members of SPF.with the help of google translator, we surely arrive so it is an article about the Egyptian air defense systems especially the SA-2 Morning Bird and Sinai 23.
Tayyr Al Sabah translates to Morning Bird in english, do you have anything else brother?
Sorry, I have nothing on your subject, I found your post, interesting with a simple search on the net, the site defense-arab appears, I made a translation it was not difficult ,when we want we can.But personally I have no other information on morning bird.search you find.
 

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They had an indigenous SA-2, any upgrade projects?

The radar tho seems to be deriviative from Chinese H-200 Radar for KS-1 system.

I looked at this a few months ago. It looked like they only received a few of the H-200 radars from China a few years ago. They don't appear to have rolled out the upgrade to operational batteries so the assumption is that it's 1) still in testing, or 2) they've decided not to adopt it.
 

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