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Another drawing of the Delcourt Flying Ambulance from Luftfahrt International N° 6.
The car reminds me on the Rumpler "Tropfenauto" (drop car)
 

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Jemiba said:
The car reminds me on the Rumpler "Tropfenauto" (drop car)

Just to be pedantic: The translation from German is "drop" as in "rain-drop", not "drop" as in "3000 ft. straight down" ;)

Regards & all,

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Lauge said:
..The translation from German is "drop" as in "rain-drop", not "drop" as in "3000 ft. straight down" ;)
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Correct! I thought about writing "waterdrop", but I'm not sure which liquid Edmund Rumpler had in mind ! ;)
 

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Although the "Flying Ambulance" got some publicity back then, I'm not sure, that it and the other
concepts actually qualify as "projects" in our sense. Reading again the mentioned article in Luftfahrt
International, I have the feeling, that Monsieur Delcourt just wanted to publish the idea of a Roll on/
Roll off transport for a car and didn't put too much effort in actually developing the aircraft. And in
the Les Ailes issue, the flying wing is mentioned as "a concept by our reader, naturally not meant
to be realised...", if my translation isn't completely wrong.
So I think, his ideas are better suited to this section, at least until we get to know new facts ! ;)
 

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My dear Jemiba,


from Trait d'Union,Pierre Delcourt designed many aircraft,and anther tourist
aircraft Model,and it 's not some ideas,we must put it in Early Aircraft Projects
section.
 

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It's models, hesham. Only models.

Show us a plane by Delcourt that flies and perhaps we can consider a Delcourt topic in "Early Projects". For now I think Jemiba made the right decision.
 

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Stargazer said:
Show us a plane by Delcourt that flies and perhaps we can consider a Delcourt topic in "Early Projects". For now I think Jemiba made the right decision.


Stargazer,


it's not standard to judge if that was just model or real design,the designer who makes
a several aircraft,even no one of them built,and we have many designers in Early Aircraft
Projects section,and their designs never pass a drawing stage.
 

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hesham said:
it's not standard to judge if that was just model or real design,the designer who makes
a several aircraft,even no one of them built,and we have many designers in Early Aircraft
Projects section,and their designs never pass a drawing stage.


So you know better than Jemiba what to do, right? Always telling the mods what to do, you can't help it...
Wanna be a moderator? Well, you can apply for the job, especially now that I have resigned from it!
Let me tell you this, though: if it ever happens one day I'm out of this place for good. Don't want to see the mess!
 

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I have the feeling, were are once more in a discussion, that principally centers around the question:
What is a project ?
About the aircraft designed by Monsieur Delcourt, we have some pictures of models and statements
in two publications (Luftfahrt Internaional and Les Ailes), that to my opinion are indicating, that they
were "concepts", or "ideas" and not meant to show something he was about starting to build.
hesham, mentioning the issue of TdU would be more helpful here, had a look through those I have,
but still yet without success.
Without doubt, deciding what's a "real project" and what's just a "conceptual idea" often is difficult.
But please remember, that being mentiond in the specialised press not really turns every idea into
a project with a least the possibility to be realised.
If you have material, that supports your point, just post it here, so we can reconsider te decision. But
looking at the scarce sources we have, I still regard Monsieur Delcourt as an aviation enthusiast, who
obviously wrote letters to the editor of Les Ailes to publish his ideas. So, without doubt, we would have
several designers here, too, just have a look at Advancedboy's designs !
 

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Once again I have to say that this is a needlessly emotional reaction to hesham's regular posting of interesting tidbits. In this case, whether or not the Delcourt designs turn out to be conceptual only or not, they were clearly taken seriously by the publications of the era and are thought-provoking in and of themselves. We have long discussions of things like the DARPA tranformer concepts which are also far from real hardward at this point. Relax, folks, relax.
 

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cluttonfred said:
... Relax, folks, relax.

Absolutely right ! And correct is, too, that we have a lot of things, that were never intended
to become reality. Still a lot of work to do ! Here I still just see the point, that those ideas were
not taken that seriously by the Les Ailes staff.
As mentioned, there always has a decision to be made, but it's always one, that can be
changed, if new facts surface. And if that decision was made, perhaps it should be accepted
(again, everybody is free to search for new information) or the discussion should be non-public
"report to the moderator" or via PM, if it's just between two persons.
 

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cluttonfred said:
Once again I have to say that this is a needlessly emotional reaction to hesham's regular posting of interesting tidbits. In this case, whether or not the Delcourt designs turn out to be conceptual only or not, they were clearly taken seriously by the publications of the era and are thought-provoking in and of themselves. We have long discussions of things like the DARPA tranformer concepts which are also far from real hardward at this point. Relax, folks, relax.


I really agree with Mr. cluttofred, I understand we want to be strict about the projects but sometimes we can Relax a bit.


hesham I really like this "idea", thanks for posting.
 

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cluttonfred said:
Once again I have to say that this is a needlessly emotional reaction to hesham's regular posting of interesting tidbits. In this case, whether or not the Delcourt designs turn out to be conceptual only or not, they were clearly taken seriously by the publications of the era and are thought-provoking in and of themselves. We have long discussions of things like the DARPA tranformer concepts which are also far from real hardward at this point. Relax, folks, relax.

This forum could do with a lot more relaxed attitude and a lot less repression by the moderators.
Sometimes it looks like a totalitarian dictatorship in here. Live and let live!

Hesham's posts are generally quite interesting. Thanks Hesham!

TomZ
 

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Interesting posts ,in the right place ,are always welcome indeed , but to much
'relaxation' could made this forum a dustbin I think.
So let's be on guard for selfmade history and cautious with to beautifull what iff's.
Source checking is always worthwile..
 

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The Delcourt Flying Ambulance looks like it must be the grandfather of the PZL M-15.
 

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Richard N said:
The Delcourt Flying Ambulance looks like it must be the grandfather of the PZL M-15.


Yes Richard N,I didn't note that.
 

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I think, the main point behind Delcourts idea was the possibility to carry a car, which can
directly drive off the transport platform after landing and roll on again after fulfilling its task.
In the case of the M-15, that would be suitable for a motor bike at best, so it's rather the
Mil Mi-10 that comes to my mind. ;)
(Photo via airliners.net http://www.airliners.net/photo/Mil-Mi-10UPL/1657207/L/ )
 

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From l'Aeronautique journal October 1927,


here is the Delcourt ambulance aircraft model,but excuse me I can't see well,the aircraft
in the second picture has one engine ?!.
 

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Indeed ,probably it's a lighter variant of the first one
since it holds a motorcycle with 2 stretchers instead of a car..
 

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lark said:
Indeed ,probably it's a lighter variant of the first one
since it holds a motorcycle with 2 stretchers instead of a car..


Yes my dear Lark,


but so weird,no mention in TU magazine.
 

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Perhaps private patient vs. public health patient ? ;)

The first time I've seen a motorbike with two side cars !
I would regard this single engined model as a clue by Monsieur Delcourt, that
this layout could even be used for relatively small aircraft.
 

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Jemiba said:
Perhaps private patient vs. public health patient ? ;)

The first time I've seen a motorbike with two side cars !
I would regard this single engined model as a clue by Monsieur Delcourt, that
this layout could even be used for relatively small aircraft.

Or alternatively a design offered to the French army? The Rif War was ongoing at the time.
 

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