Delcourt Flying Ambulance

Another drawing of the Delcourt Flying Ambulance from Luftfahrt International N° 6.
The car reminds me on the Rumpler "Tropfenauto" (drop car)
 

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Jemiba said:
The car reminds me on the Rumpler "Tropfenauto" (drop car)
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Just to be pedantic: The translation from German is "drop" as in "rain-drop", not "drop" as in "3000 ft. straight down" ;)

Regards & all,

Thomas L. Nielsen
Luxembourg
 
Lauge said:
..The translation from German is "drop" as in "rain-drop", not "drop" as in "3000 ft. straight down" ;)
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Correct! I thought about writing "waterdrop", but I'm not sure which liquid Edmund Rumpler had in mind ! ;)
 
Although the "Flying Ambulance" got some publicity back then, I'm not sure, that it and the other
concepts actually qualify as "projects" in our sense. Reading again the mentioned article in Luftfahrt
International, I have the feeling, that Monsieur Delcourt just wanted to publish the idea of a Roll on/
Roll off transport for a car and didn't put too much effort in actually developing the aircraft. And in
the Les Ailes issue, the flying wing is mentioned as "a concept by our reader, naturally not meant
to be realised...", if my translation isn't completely wrong.
So I think, his ideas are better suited to this section, at least until we get to know new facts ! ;)
 
My dear Jemiba,


from Trait d'Union,Pierre Delcourt designed many aircraft,and anther tourist
aircraft Model,and it 's not some ideas,we must put it in Early Aircraft Projects
section.
 

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It's models, hesham. Only models.

Show us a plane by Delcourt that flies and perhaps we can consider a Delcourt topic in "Early Projects". For now I think Jemiba made the right decision.
 
Stargazer said:
Show us a plane by Delcourt that flies and perhaps we can consider a Delcourt topic in "Early Projects". For now I think Jemiba made the right decision.
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Stargazer,


it's not standard to judge if that was just model or real design,the designer who makes
a several aircraft,even no one of them built,and we have many designers in Early Aircraft
Projects section,and their designs never pass a drawing stage.
 
hesham said:
it's not standard to judge if that was just model or real design,the designer who makes
a several aircraft,even no one of them built,and we have many designers in Early Aircraft
Projects section,and their designs never pass a drawing stage.
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So you know better than Jemiba what to do, right? Always telling the mods what to do, you can't help it...
Wanna be a moderator? Well, you can apply for the job, especially now that I have resigned from it!
Let me tell you this, though: if it ever happens one day I'm out of this place for good. Don't want to see the mess!
 
I have the feeling, were are once more in a discussion, that principally centers around the question:
What is a project ?
About the aircraft designed by Monsieur Delcourt, we have some pictures of models and statements
in two publications (Luftfahrt Internaional and Les Ailes), that to my opinion are indicating, that they
were "concepts", or "ideas" and not meant to show something he was about starting to build.
hesham, mentioning the issue of TdU would be more helpful here, had a look through those I have,
but still yet without success.
Without doubt, deciding what's a "real project" and what's just a "conceptual idea" often is difficult.
But please remember, that being mentiond in the specialised press not really turns every idea into
a project with a least the possibility to be realised.
If you have material, that supports your point, just post it here, so we can reconsider te decision. But
looking at the scarce sources we have, I still regard Monsieur Delcourt as an aviation enthusiast, who
obviously wrote letters to the editor of Les Ailes to publish his ideas. So, without doubt, we would have
several designers here, too, just have a look at Advancedboy's designs !
 
Once again I have to say that this is a needlessly emotional reaction to hesham's regular posting of interesting tidbits. In this case, whether or not the Delcourt designs turn out to be conceptual only or not, they were clearly taken seriously by the publications of the era and are thought-provoking in and of themselves. We have long discussions of things like the DARPA tranformer concepts which are also far from real hardward at this point. Relax, folks, relax.
 
cluttonfred said:
... Relax, folks, relax.
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Absolutely right ! And correct is, too, that we have a lot of things, that were never intended
to become reality. Still a lot of work to do ! Here I still just see the point, that those ideas were
not taken that seriously by the Les Ailes staff.
As mentioned, there always has a decision to be made, but it's always one, that can be
changed, if new facts surface. And if that decision was made, perhaps it should be accepted
(again, everybody is free to search for new information) or the discussion should be non-public
"report to the moderator" or via PM, if it's just between two persons.
 
cluttonfred said:
Once again I have to say that this is a needlessly emotional reaction to hesham's regular posting of interesting tidbits. In this case, whether or not the Delcourt designs turn out to be conceptual only or not, they were clearly taken seriously by the publications of the era and are thought-provoking in and of themselves. We have long discussions of things like the DARPA tranformer concepts which are also far from real hardward at this point. Relax, folks, relax.
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I really agree with Mr. cluttofred, I understand we want to be strict about the projects but sometimes we can Relax a bit.


hesham I really like this "idea", thanks for posting.
 
cluttonfred said:
Once again I have to say that this is a needlessly emotional reaction to hesham's regular posting of interesting tidbits. In this case, whether or not the Delcourt designs turn out to be conceptual only or not, they were clearly taken seriously by the publications of the era and are thought-provoking in and of themselves. We have long discussions of things like the DARPA tranformer concepts which are also far from real hardward at this point. Relax, folks, relax.
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This forum could do with a lot more relaxed attitude and a lot less repression by the moderators.
Sometimes it looks like a totalitarian dictatorship in here. Live and let live!

Hesham's posts are generally quite interesting. Thanks Hesham!

TomZ
 
Interesting posts ,in the right place ,are always welcome indeed , but to much
'relaxation' could made this forum a dustbin I think.
So let's be on guard for selfmade history and cautious with to beautifull what iff's.
Source checking is always worthwile..
 
The Delcourt Flying Ambulance looks like it must be the grandfather of the PZL M-15.
 

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Richard N said:
The Delcourt Flying Ambulance looks like it must be the grandfather of the PZL M-15.
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Yes Richard N,I didn't note that.
 
I think, the main point behind Delcourts idea was the possibility to carry a car, which can
directly drive off the transport platform after landing and roll on again after fulfilling its task.
In the case of the M-15, that would be suitable for a motor bike at best, so it's rather the
Mil Mi-10 that comes to my mind. ;)
(Photo via airliners.net http://www.airliners.net/photo/Mil-Mi-10UPL/1657207/L/ )
 

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From l'Aeronautique journal October 1927,


here is the Delcourt ambulance aircraft model,but excuse me I can't see well,the aircraft
in the second picture has one engine ?!.
 

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Indeed ,probably it's a lighter variant of the first one
since it holds a motorcycle with 2 stretchers instead of a car..
 
lark said:
Indeed ,probably it's a lighter variant of the first one
since it holds a motorcycle with 2 stretchers instead of a car..
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Yes my dear Lark,


but so weird,no mention in TU magazine.
 
Perhaps private patient vs. public health patient ? ;)

The first time I've seen a motorbike with two side cars !
I would regard this single engined model as a clue by Monsieur Delcourt, that
this layout could even be used for relatively small aircraft.
 
Jemiba said:
Perhaps private patient vs. public health patient ? ;)

The first time I've seen a motorbike with two side cars !
I would regard this single engined model as a clue by Monsieur Delcourt, that
this layout could even be used for relatively small aircraft.
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Or alternatively a design offered to the French army? The Rif War was ongoing at the time.
 
Hello.
It is with great emotion that I discovered this post. I am one of Pierre Delcourt's grandsons. Pierre Delcourt was born in 1898 in Vertus in France and died in 1988. Would you be interested in having more information about him?
I'm sorry about my English, it's generated by Google Translate.
 
Olivier Delcourt said:
Hello.
It is with great emotion that I discovered this post. I am one of Pierre Delcourt's grandsons. Pierre Delcourt was born in 1898 in Vertus in France and died in 1988. Would you be interested in having more information about him?
I'm sorry about my English, it's generated by Google Translate.
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Wonderful to have you with us!
And yes, of course, we would be thrilled to get more information on your grandfather and his work. His ambulance aircraft has always been a pet design with me, and the others seem equally interesting.
(au fait, si vous n'êtes pas à l'aise avec l'anglais, il vous suffit de m'écrire en français en privé, puisque je suis Français moi aussi! ;) )
 
Pierre Delcourt (July 8, 1898 – April 9, 1988)

Born in 1898, his passion very quickly turned to what was happening a few kilometers from his home, in Mourmelon (Henri Farman made the first city-to-city flight from Mourmelon to Reims in 1908), then for the big weeks of aviation of Reims in 1909, 1910 and 1913, whose impact was worldwide, soon had no more secrets for him.
The aviation factories, which are being built in the Paris region, have great needs during this period of war and are looking for young staff open to progress. Pierre managed to get hired in the studies department at Aéroplanes Hanriot & Cie (Levallois).
There, he participated in the different stages of construction of a device while perfecting his skills to contribute to the improvements and the development of new features required by the war effort, until, in 1918, being responsible for receiving the planes manufactured for Italy.
At the end of the war, in 1918, he was mobilized in the aviation, assigned to the flight crew of bombers (that is to say planes with bombs inside), he took the bombs and dropped them from the plane! ).
Then, as a soldier, he followed advanced training courses for aeronautical mechanics in Lyon, only to find himself in military aviation during the Moroccan pacification campaign.
It was at this time that Marshal Lyautey developed medical aviation and brought in the deputy doctor Eugène Chassaing (considered the father of medical aviation).
It was with these two characters that Pierre became interested. He remained in contact with them for a very long time (he is a founding member of the league for the propaganda of medical aviation).
Returning to civilian life, he joined SPAD (Société Anonyme Pour l'Aviation et Ses Dérivés, belonging to the winner of the English Channel, Louis Blériot) in Suresnes. This company had the advantage of providing training for its executives itself.
He obeys his father and returns to run a building materials business in Vertus, a small village in the Marne.
He keeps his enthusiasm to think and... invent.

From the beginning of the 1920s his ideas materialized. He first created a large “flying wing” model with a wingspan of more than 5 meters. It was an airplane whose cabin and fuselage were embedded in a large, thick wing. He made it fly by attaching rockets to it which made it the first jet plane! The “thick wing” did not appear in the United States until the late 1950s.

Medical aviation remained one of his favorite fields: he developed a pod attached under the fuselage of an aircraft and intended to receive a stretcher for the evacuation of an injured person (later produced on helicopters). ).

At that time, the planes used for medical aviation by Chassaing were Bréguet biplanes. Pierre imagined a plane with two fuselages allowing him to transport an ambulance. At the time, the introduction of a car into an airplane was unthinkable and this invention was the subject of articles in the specialized press of the United States, Belgium and France.

For years he continued to submit his ideas to Doctor Chassaing and Marshal Lyautey, and to publish articles notably in the journal “Union Méd Canada” in 1927.

Drawing on his experience in aviation, he decided in 1927 to apply the principles of aerodynamics to automobiles.

Its first studies were tested at the Saint-Cyr wind tunnel test center, which was one of the references in aerotechnology at that time (tests carried out using models).
The car looks like a bubble, the roof is blown like the upper surface of an airplane wing, the sidepod is streamlined like the lower surface of the same wing, ending with a rear extractor. The windshield is negatively inclined, beveled in 3 parts and profiled like that of an air fighter.

To find out more about headwind: https://citroen-c4-c6.forumgratuit.org/t124-pierre-delcourt-inventeur-oubli

His ideas touched many fields, from firefighters to construction.

He received the medal from the National Office of Scientific and Industrial Research (or research and innovation medal) awarded by the conference of presidents of technical committees of the Ministry of Public Instruction (in 1928 or 1929).

I will post photos a little later.
 
Hello. I don't have the article about my grandfather on Luftfahrt International No. 6. Could you take a photo of it please?
 
autre question : connaissez-vous ce Monsieur « Quentin ». ce qui est écrit : à M. Pierre Delcourt, pionnier de l'aviation médicale. En signe de profonde sympathie.
 

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Olivier Delcourt said:
Hello.
It is with great emotion that I discovered this post. I am one of Pierre Delcourt's grandsons. Pierre Delcourt was born in 1898 in Vertus in France and died in 1988. Would you be interested in having more information about him?
I'm sorry about my English, it's generated by Google Translate.
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Welcome!

Your English is better than my French, so we're even. ;)
 
Olivier Delcourt said:
Les photos promises :
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Thank you so much, Olivier!
By the way, after offering to translate your French-language writeup, I realized that you had already posted a correct English translation here. Thanks for all of this!

Interestingly, I can see some similarities between the "Aile Volante" and Bill Stout's 1918 "Batwing" design, at least in plan form.

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