DC-10 with RB. 211 Engines

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The RB. 211 was considered for the DC-10 during the development process, but McDonnell Douglas selected the General Electric CF6. Some later variants were equipped with the Pratt & Whitney JT9D, and there were plans in for an RB. 211 equipped DC-10-50 in the mid-1970s for sale to British Airways. Does anyone have any information on DC-10 designs with RB. 211 engines, or the DC-10 engine selection process?
 

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For the politics: The Sporty Game, J. Newhouse, Knopf, 1982, Chapter 8. JT9D soon deleted from both, RB211 in both until 4/68.
 

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Hi Delta Force,


here is just a drawings to DC-10 with RB.211.
 

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Actually Hesham, those two are for the L-1011.

Enjoy the Day! Mark
 

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Mark Nankivil said:
Actually Hesham, those two are for the L-1011.

Enjoy the Day! Mark


Yes and sorry my dear Mark,


I mixed between them.
 

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I recall somewhere along the line reading Freddie Laker's comments on the idea of a RB 211 powered DC-10, and who was going to pay for the development costs. "Not dear Uncle Freddie!", or words pretty much to that effect, were what he had to say on the matter.
 

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After 4/68 there was no RR interest in DC10. HMG, proud new owner of RR(1971)Ltd., attended to seeing L1011-1 safely certificated in 1972 with RB211-22B, then in 1977, L1011-200 with RB211-524B04. That was enhanced, 1977 as RB211-524C2, 1982 as RB211-524D4 for 747-200B. Laker took 5 Mitsui Leasing DC-10/10 white tails starting 1972. 5 1979 DC-10/30 were new, but BCal had flown DC-10/30/GE from 1977. MDC had accepted the pain of engine options to win Northwest and JAL (DC-10/40/PW, 1972), but had no desire to compound the felony for dubious dribble UK sales.

Privatised RR plc sold RB211-524L, 12/86 to BCal MD11 and to Air Europe MD11, 2/89. Both Users lapsed, as did RR/MD11.
 

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The more I think about it, I was probably mistaken. Perhaps it involved the idea of putting RB 211s on the A300s Laker was purchasing, and the question came up as a sort of "buy British" sort of thing. I'd probably spend hours diving through libraries looking for it...
 

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Ah, very likely. Freddie's 9/78 "order" for 10 A300B was a fun thing. The type and indeed AI as an entity were in dire poo - long drought in orders, yet UK Govt. chose to buy back in (having cashed out, 4/69). France insisted on a BA order before readmitting perfidious Rosbifs. That became Freddie and UK bought back in, 24/10/78. There was a mini-flurry of vague talk of an RB211 option. RR was not enthusiastic, pre-occupied with its decades-long ambition to be Boeing baseline (achieved 23/3/79: RB211-535C/757), and France was very positively not interested in diluting SNECMA's sales on its share of all CF6s.
 

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