Dassault Mirage IVC

[Pioneer]

Hello gents

Does anyone have any drawings and specifications for the original proposed Mirage IVC, which was planed to be powered by two Pratt & Whitney J75 turbojets?

The French were to concentrate on and fielded the smaller, less powerful (and useful!) and most importantly for France ‘cheaper’ Mirage IVA supersonic bomber

Regards
Pioneer

 

[Deltafan]

It was the Mirage IV B

I cannot bring the drawing here, but there is one at least in Les avions de combat français of Jean Cuny, page 129 and in Dassault 1945-1995 part 2 of Carlier-Berger, page 107. But maybe one of these two drawings was bring on the site in another topic.

Specifications :
jet engines : J-75 B-24 (Cuny)
Thrust : 2 x 14 500 kgp (Cuny) 2 x 11 000 (Carlier-Berger)
span : 16,03 m
length: 27,8 m
wing aera : 130 m²
weight min : 22 800 kg (Cuny) 21 600 (Carlier-Berger)
weight max : 56 000 kg (Cuny) 57 000 (Carlier-Berger)
speed max : mach 2,20 (Cuny) > 2 (Carlier-Berger)
height fly : > 18 000 m (Cuny) 18 500 (Carlier-Berger)
Range : 4 400 km (Carlier-Berger)

 

[Archibald]

Mirage IVC was a generic denomination covering various Mirage III-01 bigger-derivatives, single and twin engines variants.

The design ended with weight and dimensions close from the actual Rafale. The project was scrapped in favor of the Mirage IVA, which in fact evolved from it...

 

[Pioneer]

Thanks for your effort gents ;D

It looks as if the French Air Force could have had a far more capable supersonic bomber, with an all important range increase (50%).
But then again its never the politicians that have to fly these missions is it!
Heck, if politicians did fly military missions, their aircraft would be chauffeur piloted, air conditioned, and equipped with a mini bar, and they would attempt to talk their way through enemy air defences

Its unfortunate that the Mirage IV C (with its PW/SNECMA turbofans) was not followed up. This could have given the Mirage IV series a far greater chance of competing in the requirements of foreign Air Forces need (Israel, RAAF ...........)

Regards
Pioneer

 

[Vahe Demirjian]

Does French Secret Projects contain drawings or additional info for the Mirage IVC?

 

[hesham]

Does French Secret Projects contain drawings or additional info for the Mirage IVC?

Yes it's.

 

[blackkite]

Hi!

Épinglé sur Dassault

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[Archibald]

well a decade ago Le Fana dug out some photos of the unfinished ACF.
Seems like in the year 1959 some bits of Mirage IVB were build between february and september. Also wondering if a mockup was build.
Would be nice to have some photos of that beast !

 

[Archibald]

ISC - CFHM - IHCC

this is Jean Cabriere testimony dated 1990 or so. A goldmine.

au début de juin, la fabrication du premier avion a été lancée et à la fin du mois d'août on peut voir, dans l'atelier de Saint-Cloud, les premiers cadres de fuselage et le squelette de la maquette d'aménagement qui vient d'être montée sur son bâti. Mais le Mirage IV-B ne dépassera pas ce stade.

fuselage frames plus the skeleton of a mockup

 

[blackkite]

Hi!
http://fighters.forumactif.com/t52448-permis-super-lourd-le-gros-mirage-iv-scratch-1-72

 

[LowObservable]

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this is Jean Cabriere testimony dated 1990 or so. A goldmine.

at the beginning of June, the manufacture of the first plane was launched and at the end of August one can see, in the workshop of Saint-Cloud, the first fuselage frames and the skeleton of the layout model which has just been mounted on its frame. But the Mirage IV-B will not go beyond this stage.

fuselage frames plus the skeleton of a mockup

I searched the site for a good place to post this, if it had not been posted already. Pure gold indeed.

 

[Archibald]

Hi!
http://fighters.forumactif.com/t52448-permis-super-lourd-le-gros-mirage-iv-scratch-1-72

Smells as if I did that, mixing Cuny's drawing with a Mirage IVA profile found on the web... 15 years ago.

 

[TomcatViP]

le Mirage IV-01, en attendant les pneumatiques spécialement créés pour lui, effectuera ses premiers vols avec les pneumatiques de l'engin américain Navaho.
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the Mirage IV-01, while waiting for tires specially created for [its high takeoff speed] will make its first flights with the tires of the American Navaho.

Riding on Navaho, Ca c'est la classe!
More seriously it gives an indication on the Mirage serie inspiration.