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Ok gents, this has been the bed bug of my mind for a long long time.
Hats off to the PRC, for their tremendous economic turnaround over the past couple of decades. Unfortunately for the Chinese people, the rest of the world was happy to use and abuse the Chinese people and their resources for their own benefit and profit.
But as much as I salute the coming of the PRC into its own, I am greatly concerned as to the use and abuse that the PRC’s political and military are willing and able to extract on other nations and their intellectual property. This willingness of the PRC to copy and clone technology is not helping tensions that are growing in the world.
There can be no doubt that much of the ability of the PRC and PLA to copy and clone foreign military (and civilian) technology/weapons systems derives from the initial greed and ignorance of many foreign governments and corporations, in their strive to capitalise and cash in on the PRC’s boom economy – i.e. United States, Israel, South Africa, Russia and France arms industries. Most of these State sponsored arms/technology endorsements have taken a while to come to their sensors that they are being used and abused, so as to build and quench the insatiable appetite of the PRC and PRC to modernise (and in some cases surpass) its military and political ambitions. Most of these State supported arms deals eventually come around to releasing, when it is too late that the quick money and political benefits are far outweighed by the intellectual property and export competitiveness they stand to lose or have lost. In fact the PRC has become so confident in this play, that they have for a long time denoted where and when they chose when to ouster the foreign corporation, once they are confident they have exceeded their worth (Israel and France are good examples of this!)
I would like to request Forum members to detail weapons/ weapons platforms / technology that they think that the PRC/PLA have copied or cloned.
Please note to my fellow Chinese Forum member’s, that this thread is not intended or my want to be seen as an anti-PRC slant or bashing session! In accordance to this, I ask my fellow forum member’s to reframe from using and abusing this thread as such!
For it is my belief and conviction that this copying and cloning is taking place is a deliberate directive of the PRC/PLA, as not much happens without eithers ok.
I would also like to factually point out that the PRC/PLA is not the first nation/military to conduct a deliberate campaign of copying/cloning of weapons/weapons systems. But it is my belief that the PRC/PLA’s is perhaps one of the best orchestrated and sadly one of the best supported by foreign corporations in history!
I will begin my contribution to this thread with the following, I recently found on the web, and what finally made me post such a thread on this Forum
Regards
Pioneer
‘China has followed in acquiring military technologies from many sources. When seeking a new technology, China contacts a foreign manufacturer and requests substantial technical information about its product, supposedly with the intent to buy. Instead, Chinese engineers study the materials and imitate the relevant concepts and designs.’ According to a representative from the South African Denel Group, the PL-ASR is almost a replica of its A-Darter AAM. The Denel representative told the author during an interview in Cape Town that the Chinese had contacted the company in 2001 to explore the possibility of importing fifth-generation A-Darter infrared-guided AAMs, which included a TVC propulsion system and pilot helmet-mounted displays.
In the end, Denel did not sell the technologies to China, which it regards as its key competitor in selling air-to-air missiles on the African market. Company engineers were therefore surprised to find that the Chinese PL-ASR is nearly identical to the A-Darter in exterior structure, tail engine and even the diameter of the missile body.
The company strongly suspects that China reverse-engineered its A-Darter AAM after acquiring its technological materials.
After being given a focused inspection of the Denel Rooivalk combat helicopter’s subsystems, China wanted to purchase one helicopter from Denel, but the South African company considered the purchase of a single aircraft the equivalent of giving away its technologies. As a result, Denel decided not to sell China the helicopter and the cooperation came to an end.Since 2007, Norinco has attempted to contact the Denel Group again, saying that it wants to import the company’s G5 155-mm howitzer ammunition handling system. But Denel is not eager to enter into an agreement with China on this project.
Hats off to the PRC, for their tremendous economic turnaround over the past couple of decades. Unfortunately for the Chinese people, the rest of the world was happy to use and abuse the Chinese people and their resources for their own benefit and profit.
But as much as I salute the coming of the PRC into its own, I am greatly concerned as to the use and abuse that the PRC’s political and military are willing and able to extract on other nations and their intellectual property. This willingness of the PRC to copy and clone technology is not helping tensions that are growing in the world.
There can be no doubt that much of the ability of the PRC and PLA to copy and clone foreign military (and civilian) technology/weapons systems derives from the initial greed and ignorance of many foreign governments and corporations, in their strive to capitalise and cash in on the PRC’s boom economy – i.e. United States, Israel, South Africa, Russia and France arms industries. Most of these State sponsored arms/technology endorsements have taken a while to come to their sensors that they are being used and abused, so as to build and quench the insatiable appetite of the PRC and PRC to modernise (and in some cases surpass) its military and political ambitions. Most of these State supported arms deals eventually come around to releasing, when it is too late that the quick money and political benefits are far outweighed by the intellectual property and export competitiveness they stand to lose or have lost. In fact the PRC has become so confident in this play, that they have for a long time denoted where and when they chose when to ouster the foreign corporation, once they are confident they have exceeded their worth (Israel and France are good examples of this!)
I would like to request Forum members to detail weapons/ weapons platforms / technology that they think that the PRC/PLA have copied or cloned.
Please note to my fellow Chinese Forum member’s, that this thread is not intended or my want to be seen as an anti-PRC slant or bashing session! In accordance to this, I ask my fellow forum member’s to reframe from using and abusing this thread as such!
For it is my belief and conviction that this copying and cloning is taking place is a deliberate directive of the PRC/PLA, as not much happens without eithers ok.
I would also like to factually point out that the PRC/PLA is not the first nation/military to conduct a deliberate campaign of copying/cloning of weapons/weapons systems. But it is my belief that the PRC/PLA’s is perhaps one of the best orchestrated and sadly one of the best supported by foreign corporations in history!
I will begin my contribution to this thread with the following, I recently found on the web, and what finally made me post such a thread on this Forum
Regards
Pioneer
‘China has followed in acquiring military technologies from many sources. When seeking a new technology, China contacts a foreign manufacturer and requests substantial technical information about its product, supposedly with the intent to buy. Instead, Chinese engineers study the materials and imitate the relevant concepts and designs.’ According to a representative from the South African Denel Group, the PL-ASR is almost a replica of its A-Darter AAM. The Denel representative told the author during an interview in Cape Town that the Chinese had contacted the company in 2001 to explore the possibility of importing fifth-generation A-Darter infrared-guided AAMs, which included a TVC propulsion system and pilot helmet-mounted displays.
In the end, Denel did not sell the technologies to China, which it regards as its key competitor in selling air-to-air missiles on the African market. Company engineers were therefore surprised to find that the Chinese PL-ASR is nearly identical to the A-Darter in exterior structure, tail engine and even the diameter of the missile body.
The company strongly suspects that China reverse-engineered its A-Darter AAM after acquiring its technological materials.
After being given a focused inspection of the Denel Rooivalk combat helicopter’s subsystems, China wanted to purchase one helicopter from Denel, but the South African company considered the purchase of a single aircraft the equivalent of giving away its technologies. As a result, Denel decided not to sell China the helicopter and the cooperation came to an end.Since 2007, Norinco has attempted to contact the Denel Group again, saying that it wants to import the company’s G5 155-mm howitzer ammunition handling system. But Denel is not eager to enter into an agreement with China on this project.
I couldn't help but think about how the US put men on the moon (sorry Scott..)
