Yes, its an intresting article, i was wondering if any more had come to light since.lark said:It's all in Air Enthusiast (monthly magazine) of
September 1972. Volume 3 number 3.
"A Short Fairey Tale...still-born airliners of the 'thirties"
Hi Everyone!ChuckAnderson said:Hi Everyone!
Here's a three-view of the Fairey F.C.1.
I'd rather this kind of remark was done by PM...lark said:There was already a thread about the
Fairey FC1 and Short S.32
started by PMN1 on September 26 2006.
The searchfunction is still your friend...
I believe 15/38 and C.15/38 are one and the same spec, although I'm not sure the actual documents use the "C.".lark said:Maybe this could be usefull..
Project numbers were not given (by Folland) to a 1939 four-engine ,transatlantic monoplane
to Spec. 14/38 to which Short and Miles responded,or to a medium range airliner to Spec.15/38
of the same year which brought responses from the Fairey Aviation and General Aircraft companies.
On the other hand ,from the same source: Fo106A-Four engined medium civil transport to either
C.14/38 or C.15/38 with Bristol Taurus engines ,August 1938.
So far the Project File from: Spirit of Hamble,Folland Aircraft-Derek N.James,Tempus Publ.2003.
Source: 'The British Aircraft Specifications File' by KJ Meekcoms and EB Morgan, Air Britain, 1994.It is intended that the aeroplane shall be in production not later than the summer of 1940, and that it should compare favourably with such aeroplanes of similar class as will then be on the world market.
Long Range Civil Land Plane
(Appendix B [C.3851] only)
File no. 754692/38
Issued to Short Bros.
-- Specification held in abeyance --
It is required to develop a type of all metal, long-range landplane suitable in all respects for operation on scheduled air services. Two versions of the aeroplane are required, the first with an operating height of 10,000 ft. and the second with an operating height of between 20,000 ft and 25,000 ft.
With 18 passengers, a payload of 7,500 lb is required. The accomodation should be capable of housing in comfort 18-20 day or night passengers, and a small promenade should also be provided. The mean cruising speed is to be not less than 250 mph at 10,000 ft or not less than 275 mph at 20,000-25,000 ft, when using the engine maker's recommended maximum economic cruising power. The range is not to be less than 3,000 miles against a 30 mph headwind when carrying the specified crew and payload at the above speed. The passengers' and pilots' compartments should be supercharged to simulate conditions at 4,000 ft when flying at 20,000-25,000 ft. Stability and controllability, particularly at "low" speeds, will be regarded as an important feature of the design.
The aircraft must be fitted with an Automatic Pilot and an approved form of anti-icing or de-icing equipment should also be provided.
Crew: 1 Commander, 1 First Officer, 1 Navigator, 2 W/T Operators, 2 Stewards.
Radio: Medium and short wave receiver and transmitter, Independent medium wave D/F receiver with rotatable loop, VHF approach receiving equipment.
The aeroplane, fully loaded, is to comply with the requirements for normal category certificate of airworthiness. When fully loaded it must clear a 66 ft screen in not more than 1,200 yards. It must comply with the normal category requirements of AP.1208, Design Leaflet F1, paragraphs 2, 3 and 4, when carrying full complement of crew, payload and equipment and fuel for 25% of the specified range.
The details of the aircraft should be designed for easy maintenance and the ability to change an engine in one hour is considered desirable.
Short Bros. was awarded Contract no. 762587/38 for three prototype S.32s, one of which was to be pressurised. C/ns S.1022-4 were alloted and registrations G-AFMK to G-AFMM were reserved. Three fuselages were built; these were shown to the King and Queen during their visit to Rochester on 14/3/39. Both Miles (M.26) and Folland were developing projects when the war intervened. The specification was cancelled on 13/11/39.
10-30 Seater Civil Air Liner
File no. 759518/38
Issued to Tender. (Fairey FC.1)
-- Specification held in abeyance --
A four-engined all-metal monoplane civil airliner is required, suitable for both short and long range operation on scheduled air lines. It is intended that the aeroplane shall be in production not later than the summer of 1940, and that it should compare favourably with such aeroplanes of similar class as will then be on the world market. This specification (issued by the Director of Civil Research and Production) is intended to define the type of air liner needed in broad outline only. The constructor is expected to fill in the details to suit prospective English and foreign customers. The same basic design must be adaptable for use as a long range machine carrying 10 passengers and as a short range machine carrying 30 passengers.
Performance: LR version.
Fuel and oil for 1,850 miles against a 30 mph wind with 25% fuel reserve, when cruising at not less than 200 mph at a height not exceeding 12,000 ft and with engines not exceeding 50% of the maximum continuous rated power available for climb at 12,000 ft. The stalling speed should not exceed 68 mph. Five crew, 2 pilots, 1 wireless operator, 1 flight engineer and 1 supernumerary. Plus 1 steward, and 10 passengers.
Performance: SR version.
Fuel and oil for 200 miles allowing for a 40 mph head wind and reserve for one hour's flight, when cruising as for LR version. Three crew, 2 pilots, 1 wireless operator. Plus 1 steward, and 30 passengers.
Preference will be given to an aeroplane the total weight of which does not exceed 42,000 lb in either long or short range version. Tankage is to be provided for a still air range of 3,000 miles under the crusing conditions for the LR version. The undercarriage must be retractable into the wings in no more than three seconds.
Engines: Any approved British engines may be used, with the proviso that if it is desired to use engines at present on the secret list, the prior permission of the Air Ministry must be obtained. Preference will be given to a design incorporating air-cooled engines. The design is to make provision for fitting higher-powered engines in case these should be needed during the useful life of the type.
W/T equipment: Outside Europe, the aeroplane must be equipped with short wave and medium wave W/T transmission and reception. When intended for operations solely within Europe, medium wave W/T transmission and reception only is required; Medium wave DF receiver with loop; VHF landing approach receiving equipment. An automatic pilot must be fitted.
Tender invitations were sent to Armstrong Whitworth, Bristol, Fairey, General Aircraft and Vickers. Folland also indicated an interest. Fairey submitted drawings and proposals on 4/7/38. Drawings and proposals were also submitted by General Aircraft (GAL.40) and Bristol (Type 154). Fairey agreed toproduce two FC.1 prototypes plus 12 production aircraft, powered by Bristol Taurus or Wright Cyclones for overseas sales. An order was placed on 4/3/39. A mock-up was constructed. The project was cancelled on 17/10/39.
Schneiderman said:So...after a long delay I now have a copy of the original GAL-40 tender document. If anyone has any questions regarding the project I should be able to provide answers