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Sorry Hesham, I can't ID the flying boat.

For what it's worth, what appears to read "S.C.J.M" is actually SCIM. This isn't a model name, it's the abbreviation for the Société Générale des Constructions Industrielles et Mécaniques (as Gabriel Borel's firm was named after its re-establishment in 1922).

The acronym should read SGCIM but, for some reason, the "Générale" usually got dropped. Other company names were Societe Anonyme des Aeroplanes Borel or plain Établissements Borel.
 

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Hi,

although I can ID more than about 20 types of aircraft for Borel,but that aircraft
may be the project of 1924 for two seat flying boat which design by the new
Borel company.
 

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drawings in le Trait d'Union n°202 p 63.sorry no scan! probably a postal transport.
 

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After the Wibault-Boccacio, now a Borel-Boccacio... Never heard that name before! Perhaps the engineer/designer who worked on both airplanes?
 

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Here is a Borel-Odier twin-engine seaplane. Another type that is totally unknown to me, though Borel is probably the same as in the Borel-Boccacio.
 

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Hi Stargazer,


the Borel-Boccacio was called Type 3000,single seat fighter,and Borel designed
more than 20 types of aircraft,and Borel-Odier was Bo-T torpedo recce twin
engined floatplane,later developed into Bo-C,a ten passenger transport
derivative.
 

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Stargazer2006 said:
And after the Wibault-Boccacio, now a Borel-Boccacio... Never heard that name before! Perhaps the engineer/designer who worked on both airplanes?

You are right : the designer of the aircraft was Boccaccio . E is for Entwiklung (Taschenbuch der Luftflotten 1924 and 1926)
 

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Stargazer2006 said:
Here is a Borel-Odier twin-engine seaplane. Another type that is totally unknown to me, though Borel is probably the same as in the Borel-Boccacio.
The aircraft was also named Borel-Odier B.O. 2.
 

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By the way,


after Borel built a small group of aircraft,he started his sequence by Bo.1 and
almost ended by Bo.19,before opened the new firm; SCIM.
 

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Stargazer2006 said:
After the Wibault-Boccacio, now a Borel-Boccacio... Never heard that name before! Perhaps the engineer/designer who worked on both airplanes?
That should read Boccaccio not Boccacio. Paul Boccaccio trained with Michel Wibault in 1917 but had already been working on aircraft designs.

There is a (to me) cryptic comment in L'Aéronautique, 2 Jul 1923 which reads as follows:

"Ces deux avions ont été établis par M. Paul Boccaccio, ancien élève de l'Ecole supérieure des Mines, qui avait étudié dès 1916 un avion de bombardement muni de deux moteurs Hispano étages et accouplés. Actuellement il étudie un biplace de chasse entièrement métallique muni d'un turbo-compresseur."

So a 1916 project for a twin-engined bomber. I presume that "étages" refers to compressor stages. But what of "accouplés"? Am I right in thinking that the two Hispano engines were to be 'coupled' in some way?

http://archive.org/stream/la02b9eronautiqu03pari/la02b9eronautiqu03pari_djvu.txt
 

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Thanks a lot for the information, folks!

"Ces deux avions ont été établis par M. Paul Boccaccio, ancien élève de l'Ecole supérieure des Mines, qui avait étudié dès 1916 un avion de bombardement muni de deux moteurs Hispano étages et accouplés. Actuellement il étudie un biplace de chasse entièrement métallique muni d'un turbo-compresseur."
I believe this should read "étagés", as in "placed one above the other." As for "accouplés", it can mean "coupled", "paired" or "connected." I'm suggesting this translation:

"These two aircraft were developed by Mr. Paul Boccaccio, a former student at the Ecole supérieure des Mines who studied, as early as 1916, a bomber with two staggered and coupled engines. He is currently studying an all-metal two-seat pursuit with a turbocharger."
 

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Ooo, that sounds like an even more interesting arrangement! Thanks Stéphane :)
 

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Hi,


the Borel or SCIM designed in 1922 a transport triplane project,but I haven't
no more Info about it ?.
 

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hesham said:
Hi,


the Borel or SCIM designed in 1922 a transport triplane project,but I haven't
no more Info about it ?.

Great find my dear C460,


and Borel also designed a triplane transport in 1922,I hope to get its drawing.
 

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Hi,

In 1918,Borel had a uncompleted three-seat float seaplane,powered by two 400 hp
Liberty engines,maybe new design or developed from Borel-Odier floatplane,and had
an estimated speed of 150 km/h.
 

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Thank you my dear Toura,

and in 1918,the French Navy issue a request for a large,multi-engine flying boat compared
to Britsih Felixstowe series,Borel submitted a three seat design with two 75-mm cannon,
and powered by three 400 hp Lorraine or Liberty engines,remained a Project only.
 

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Borel was one of the very early aircraft designer
Some Borel Hydros were racing in the first contests and Italy operated some of them during the first world war
http://celticowboy.com/CMV%20Drwgs/Borel%20Hydroaeroplane%20Drwgr.JPG
 

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ermeio said:
Borel was one of the very early aircraft designer
Some Borel Hydros were racing in the first contests and Italy operated some of them during the first world war
http://celticowboy.com/CMV%20Drwgs/Borel%20Hydroaeroplane%20Drwgr.JPG
That's right Ermeio.
 

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Hi,

was that an airplane for Borel ?.

http://www.avia-it.com/act/biblioteca/periodici/PDF%20Riviste/Ala%20d'Italia/L'ALA%20D'ITALIA%201923%2001-02.pdf
 

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