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This is a design I found in a PDF file online about a 1-1/2 ago. I wish I would have downloaded the PDF file, but I just took a screen capture because most of the file wasn't about aircraft. It was either about advanced systems and possibly networking. It was some sort of defense related PDF file and this one page had this design on it. BTW, it was a Boeing PDF document.

I have no idea if this is one of the tailless fighter designs that has supposedly flown at Groom Lake or if it is the YF-24 (There was a report within the past year about a test pilot and in his history one of the planes he supposedly flew first at Groom Lake was the YF-24 prototype, which doesn't tell us anything).

Based on the design and the Boeing/McD-D design history, aka the X-36 and the BOP, I think it's safe to say that looking at the nozzle the aicraft probably uses fluidic thrust vectoring contol in yaw in combination with it's 2D C-D nozzle.

Anyway, I think it's a nice looking plane.
 

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I was wondering the same thing....could this be the YF-24??? Anyway, the air intake looks similar to the Boeing X-32... Ideas, anyone?
 

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Sundog said:
This is a design I found in a PDF file online about a 1-1/2 ago. I wish I would have downloaded the PDF file, but I just took a screen capture because most of the file wasn't about aircraft. It was either about advanced systems and possibly networking. It was some sort of defense related PDF file and this one page had this design on it. BTW, it was a Boeing PDF document.

I have no idea if this is one of the tailless fighter designs that has supposedly flown at Groom Lake or if it is the YF-24 (There was a report within the past year about a test pilot and in his history one of the planes he supposedly flew first at Groom Lake was the YF-24 prototype, which doesn't tell us anything).

Based on the design and the Boeing/McD-D design history, aka the X-36 and the BOP, I think it's safe to say that looking at the nozzle the aicraft probably uses fluidic thrust vectoring contol in yaw in combination with it's 2D C-D nozzle.

Anyway, I think it's a nice looking plane.


I am pretty sure I have seen the PDF in question, I'll look for it. If I remember right this also had some of the Boeing A-12 like concepts in it.
It does not seem likely that this has flown at Groom. There is not anything new or unique that would justify it as far as I can tell. The tailless configuration seen here was tested to death in both the black and white worlds in the late 1990s, including by Boeing with the X-36.

What interests me is that PW-1442 engine. That's a new one.
 

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A tailless version of this, no?
 

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That looks like a variation/iteration of Boeing's ATF proposal. Note that it is a twin engine design, The various articles that have shown display or wind tunnel models of the various ATF proposals show the later v-tailed version that was the final proposal variant. Personally, I think this is a pretty decent looking aircraft.

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Mark Nankivil said:
That looks like a variation/iteration of Boeing's ATF proposal. Note that it is a twin engine design.

I'm pretty sure it's single-engine. The exhaust area doesn't look wide enough for two engines. Proportionally, this looks more like a precursor to the JSF rather than the ATF. No?

Either way, it's a beautiful design, in my opinion. Boeing's ATF proposal always struck me as somewhat awkward looking.
 

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Based on what I've seen, in terms of dates on the drawings, these are post JSF designs.

Also, the tailed version of the design I first posted at the top was actually shown in another thread here, but I don't recall which one.
 

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I too have read that the YF-24 is actually some sort of prototype. Yet some claim that the F-24 designation was supposed to be the designation for the F-35. According to this story a project manager messed up and said F-35 (since it was developed from the X-35) and they changed the designation as a result.

I believe somebody here said the JSF website said F-24 for a short time before they changed that around, but I haven't seen any evidence of that.
 

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interesting that after three years of search, I never found this particular pdf ;(
 

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I actually found it again about six months ago. I know I saved it somewhere, but I don't have access to my external HD's until my new PC is finished. My old one went down about two months ago and with moving, I haven't had time to get the new one squared away. I'll track it down for you then.

Unless it's on my old server PC, which is what I use for the time being. I'll check tonight.
 

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If DoD had followed their own rules, the F-35 would be F-24. The X-35 = F-35 was a screw-up that went uncorrected.


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I too have read that the YF-24 is actually some sort of prototype. Yet some claim that the F-24 designation was supposed to be the designation for the F-35. According to this story a project manager messed up and said F-35 (since it was developed from the X-35) and they changed the designation as a result.

I believe somebody here said the JSF website said F-24 for a short time before they changed that around, but I haven't seen any evidence of that.
 

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Having said that, how convenient to skip 11 numbers when you want to have secret programs going unnoticed!
 

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Sundog said:
This is a design I found in a PDF file online about a 1-1/2 ago. I wish I would have downloaded the PDF file, but I just took a screen capture because most of the file wasn't about aircraft. It was either about advanced systems and possibly networking. It was some sort of defense related PDF file and this one page had this design on it. BTW, it was a Boeing PDF document.

I have no idea if this is one of the tailless fighter designs that has supposedly flown at Groom Lake or if it is the YF-24 (There was a report within the past year about a test pilot and in his history one of the planes he supposedly flew first at Groom Lake was the YF-24 prototype, which doesn't tell us anything).

Based on the design and the Boeing/McD-D design history, aka the X-36 and the BOP, I think it's safe to say that looking at the nozzle the aicraft probably uses fluidic thrust vectoring contol in yaw in combination with it's 2D C-D nozzle.

Anyway, I think it's a nice looking plane.

Hmmm...



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Hi guys,
Have you seen the pictures of the Lockheed-Martin X-44 MANTA? They are very similar in design.
 

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Matej said:
I am still missing the timeframe for the original MRF-24X. Sundog - have you access to that PDF now?

Baseline:
http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADB212361
 

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Also came across this interesting article

http://www.urbanghostsmedia.com/2014/02/us-military-top-secret-fighter-classified-prototype-yf-24/

Cheers
 

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what is interesting about this one?
'article adapted from Storm Climb', which, meanwhile, just a rewrite of Dave Majumdar piece at DEW Line (who - 3.5 years after - have used SPF as source of his revelations (and wrong conclusions) and forget to mention it)
 

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Mate,


It was an interesting read for me, anyhow for the year ord David M started at FG after I left as I know Stephen Trimble very well and DAvid M seemed to be inputting more into Stephens Dew Line.


Anyway I thought I was contributing something substantial to this thread as I like to think I have contributed quite substantially over them trying I have been a member here,


Cheers
 

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TAFA [Tailless advanced fighter aircraft] AIRCRAFT DESCRIPTION

The TAFA aircraft is a conceptual design of an advanced fighter configuration which blends an
extensive suite of conventional and innovative control effectors to achieve high agility in a low
observable design. The TAFA is a single engine, single seat fighter designed for air-to-air and/or
air-to-ground missions.
The TAFA airframe is characterized by a chined forebody, symmetric air inlets, and no vertical
tail. The wing and all moving canard are thin and feature a moderate aft sweep and no dihedral.
The leading edge of the wing is equipped with passive porosity which can be used as a low rate
roll control device during covert maneuvers.....

 

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Nice picture,this is the first time i see this concept,thanks for sharing.


best regards


Pedro
 

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This question has probably been asked and answered elsewhere but what platform would be more stealthy a twin tail like the F-22 or a tailless fighter with canards.
 

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bobbymike said:
This question has probably been asked and answered elsewhere but what platform would be more stealthy a twin tail like the F-22 or a tailless fighter with canards.


A tailless fighter with canards.
 

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bobbymike said:
This question has probably been asked and answered elsewhere but what platform would be more stealthy a twin tail like the F-22 or a tailless fighter with canards.


It depends on too many things to list.
 

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Is there any picture of wind tunnel model of this Boeing aircraft?
 

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New Era of Stealth, Tailless, Vectored Aircraft

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