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You mean I need data when the USN deemed DDG(X) to be adequate for BMD with 57 RMA?
I though 57 rma was the flt III Burke. Im confused now. But there will always be some advantage to seeing further with more resolution.
In a shooting war I expect the enemy to attempt overmatch of targets. It is not silly in any way to have enough weapons for 500+ weapons being concentrated on high value targets like CVNs and BBG(X). So it is not stupid IMHO to throw over two dozen lighter weapons around it each capable of taking down missiles and bombs.
Agree. Or the enemy can attempt to drain your defensive stocks by sending regular low cost attacks and decoys, waiting for the right time to fire more dangerous things. And then try for overmatch again.
 
It was before the Iranian war, which, I suspect, gave US a lot more data to play with.

P.S. Just thinking... but maybe the decision to switch from DDG(X) to BBG(X) was made after experience of 2025s Iran-Israel war? USN participated in Israel missile defense, and its quite possible that Navy concluded - previous assumptions were wrong, destroyer-size radars aren't efficient enough.
I do not have a philosophical reason 57 RMA is more than adequate. It sounds like the backend on a 69 RMA would take a decade to sort out whereas they have 57 RMA already being tackled. If there is the need for 69 RMA after Flight I then look to add it to Flight II. Throwing too many whole new technologies at a solution is a recipe for sure failure. Get something built and then integrate new stuff as it is available. If things like a rail gun aren't ready, don't hold up production.
 
I though 57 rma was the flt III Burke. Im confused now. But there will always be some advantage to seeing further with more resolution.

Isn't Flt III 37 RMA? I thought 57 RMA was for DDG(X)/BBG(X), and 69 RMA was proposed for some Aegis Ashore installations and maybe a modified San Antonio.
 
Show me verifiable proof of the DF-21 having a tungsten penetrator warhead, and then show me verifiable proof that it has an impact velocity of mach 5.9. If you can't, please stop posting obvious ass-pulled bullshit you know nothing about and keep it on X where it belongs.
You mean besides being pulled from hacked files of a Chinese defense data center? It’s also a YJ-21 not DF21, typo earlier. I have some evidence, you have none.
I do not have a philosophical reason 57 RMA is more than adequate. It sounds like the backend on a 69 RMA would take a decade to sort out whereas they have 57 RMA already being tackled. If there is the need for 69 RMA after Flight I then look to add it to Flight II. Throwing too many whole new technologies at a solution is a recipe for sure failure. Get something built and then integrate new stuff as it is available. If things like a rail gun aren't ready, don't hold up production.
Why do we think 69 RMA would take a decade to sort out?
Agree. Or the enemy can attempt to drain your defensive stocks by sending regular low cost attacks and decoys, waiting for the right time to fire more dangerous things. And then try for overmatch again.
That’s why lasers and maybe gun guided launched air defense rounds exist.
 
P.S. Just thinking... but maybe the decision to switch from DDG(X) to BBG(X) was made after experience of 2025s Iran-Israel war? USN participated in Israel missile defense, and its quite possible that Navy concluded - previous assumptions were wrong, destroyer-size radars aren't efficient enough.
BBG(X) happened because Phelan, knowing that Trump liked the battleships of old, pitched Trump on a Golden Fleet with a Trump-class battleship, in an effort to stay in Trump's good graces.

https://archive.is/jspNe
That's it. That's all it is. The Navy had never discussed a ship this big prior to Phelan and Trump's announcement. The Navy had been, very strongly, talking about distributed lethality, more ships, not fewer. Hence the Constellation program. Maybe the Navy would have liked to increase the DDG(X) to 20k tons if given the opportunity.

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We could be discussing reality and sharing facts in this thread, couldn't we? But what do I know, I'm new to this forum :).
 
You mean besides being pulled from hacked files of a Chinese defense data center?
You mean from a simulation files from a super computer with the ability to be used by any university student within the defense fields of study? It's literal what if generic bullcrap.
It’s also a YJ-21 not DF21, typo earlier.
Neat. Show me the YJ-21 has a tungsten penetrating warhead with impact velocities of mach 5.9, then. Also, show me the model used to represent a US super carrier is dimensionally and structurally accurate as well as accurate in materials make up and properties.
I have some evidence, you have none.
You have what amounts to a university level defence generic simulation and your head cannon fanfic filling in the rest. Keep that bullshit on X where it belongs with the rest of the low IQ troglodytes. We don't need this place turning into another X shitfest.
 
Why do we think 69 RMA would take a decade to sort out?
Maybe from general program history? Radars do not build themselves and slapping more modules together does not magically create a working product. They take time to perfect. The 69 RMA is a theoretical proposal, not yet a working plan.

Just be clear, the BBG(X) proposal is four sections of 37 RMA. That is 148 RMA total, with half (96) able to be steered in each hemisphere whether side to side or front to back. Jumping from 37 to 57 is much less of a leap in work to get the kinks worked out. The larger arrays that align together can increase sensitivity 10 dB. That is a significant leap in work the backend has to perform.
 
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Maybe from general program history? Radars do not build themselves and slapping more modules together does not magically create a working product. They take time to perfect. The 69 RMA is a theoretical proposal, not yet a working plan.
I would expect it to take 2-4 years not a decade as the constituent parts are designed to be modular and all exist
 
In case you haven't noticed, the floor for minimum capability has risen greatly.

FFS, the baseline Frigate pretty much needs BMD capabilities, nevermind the larger ships.
Not to derail this onto the FF(X)/FFG debacle, but at some point, trying to defend everything means you defend nothing. Frederick the Great wasn't a sailor, but his maxim sure applies...
 
Maybe from general program history? Radars do not build themselves and slapping more modules together does not magically create a working product. They take time to perfect. The 69 RMA is a theoretical proposal, not yet a working plan.

Just be clear, the BBG(X) proposal is four sections of 37 RMA. That is 148 RMA total, with half (96) able to be steered in each hemisphere whether side to side or front to back. Jumping from 37 to 57 is much less of a leap in work to get the kinks worked out. The larger arrays that align together can increase sensitivity 10 dB. That is a significant leap in work the backend has to perform.

It might be easier to go to 6x 37 RMA arrays on 60° spacing to increase the number of modules covering a given bearing. Plus, you might get a significant resolution increase for targets on the ship's beam if you have a good separation between the fore and aft arrays.
 
It might be easier to go to 6x 37 RMA arrays on 60° spacing to increase the number of modules covering a given bearing. Plus, you might get a significant resolution increase for targets on the ship's beam if you have a good separation between the fore and aft arrays.
I always thought why not a line literally head to tail with the one or two linear rows of modules, but it probably gives you too little resolution in the vertical plane.
 
I always thought why not a line literally head to tail with the one or two linear rows of modules, but it probably gives you too little resolution in the vertical plane.

Combine that with a module or two way up on the top of the mast. Or a rotating mast with a line of modules all the way up it. CEC already takes care of this when you have more than one ship looking at the target though, so probably not important.
 
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Why? Those are two unrelated missions, and the CPS missiles are tens of millions each. At current prices, even a dozen is a half billion in cost. If one of the problems is defensive magazine depth, use all your displacement for that. Putting CPS on the same hull makes no sense; all of your eggs are in one basket and you cannot optimize the placement of the ship for both missions.
Because the USN literally wants CPS on as many ships as can carry it?

Note that the proposal for the BBG was very light on weapons loads for the hull volume. One proposal was literally 96x Mk41, another was 128. There may have been one that was 192 (3x64). I think the most reasonable one was 64xMk41 aft, 64xMk41 amidships, 32xMk41 and 12x3 CPS cells forward.

CPS cells on a ship reduce the number of Mk41 cells taken up by Tomahawks, which means more SAMs available for defense.


Ok, why would side on matter to a Burke’s radar, and why would you expect dramatic bearing or range changes from even a hypersonic weapon targeting the task force? At some point you have to actually approach the target if you are going to hit it. At what range do we need to establish a target grade track with current weapons? I would think GPI would be designed to use orbital target data; I do not know what the expected intercept range is but it must be sufficiently far out to require an off board target track anyway.
Because it's the target that is side on to the radar, which means the target has a much larger RCS in that aspect.

Most Aegis BMD work to date has been against targets not on collision courses to the radar. This means larger RCS in all tests. While if you luck out and detect a ballistic missile targeting you personally while it's still in ascent, a smart programmer would point the nose of the AShBM at the target so it is head-on to the radars as soon as the missile leaves the atmosphere/ceases primary burn for minimal RCS the whole time the missile is en route. bumping the reaction thrusters to keep it pointed head-on at the radar.
 
Thats what i thought too, but then CPS just makes the hull even bigger and adds even more to the top weight issue. If there was a convergence of the two roles then combine them o to one vessel. But if you want to keep your CPS at a certain range for standby and another range for firing, that might not be the location you want for protecting a fleet from DF-21 threats. Your fleet might not want to lose ballistics defence for a couple of days while you go off to fire your own hypersonics. Plus, CPS probably makes your BMD vessel more expensive with less than optimal defensive loadout, so less effective in both roles.
Not necessarily.

Look at the BBGX. 35ktons, and generally the weapons load of either a Burke or a Tico, not counting CPS. And so there's a pretty large volume not being used for anything else where you could put CPS.

For that matter, the USN is on record saying that they could not fit both CPS and a gun into a 15kton hull in the DDGX program.


Having said that, if the next generation of SM3 etc needed more range, maybe some bigger cells are useful afterall. I would still argue that a mix of Mk-41 and Mk-57 should allow for a bigger future BMD missile, and peripheral VLS might also reduce damage to your Mk-41 from side impacts, if they fit.
Personally, I encourage a mix of Mk57 and Mk41. Put the Mk57s around the helo deck (there's ~40 tubes around the outside of the Zumwalt class helo deck) and you get to have some bonus missiles on top of the sets of Mk41s.
 
Because the USN literally wants CPS on as many ships as can carry it?

Note that the proposal for the BBG was very light on weapons loads for the hull volume. One proposal was literally 96x Mk41, another was 128. There may have been one that was 192 (3x64). I think the most reasonable one was 64xMk41 aft, 64xMk41 amidships, 32xMk41 and 12x3 CPS cells forward.

CPS cells on a ship reduce the number of Mk41 cells taken up by Tomahawks, which means more SAMs available for defense.



Because it's the target that is side on to the radar, which means the target has a much larger RCS in that aspect.

Most Aegis BMD work to date has been against targets not on collision courses to the radar. This means larger RCS in all tests. While if you luck out and detect a ballistic missile targeting you personally while it's still in ascent, a smart programmer would point the nose of the AShBM at the target so it is head-on to the radars as soon as the missile leaves the atmosphere/ceases primary burn for minimal RCS the whole time the missile is en route. bumping the reaction thrusters to keep it pointed head-on at the radar.
Even assuming each CPS missile replaces a TLAM, does it really increase the number of SAM for MK41?
How may mk41 cells could be put in place if the CPS cells? I’m sure more than there are CPS, which could mean you could have at least the same number of TLAMs as CPS, and still get a few more VLS.

Ships operate in battle groups typically and in case of BBGX it always will. This means there will be other radars surrounding it that will be able to see the BM in at least a slightly more broadside aspect to better be able to detect it
 
I truly cannot understand why the Navy intends to field the CPS within its surface fleet. It is clearly an intermediate-range ballistic missile. Its range enables launch platforms to strike targets while remaining well outside enemy detection and surveillance coverage, making it entirely unnecessary to mount such a weapon on frontline combat vessels optimized for high-level stealth design.
 
Because the USN literally wants CPS on as many ships as can carry it?

I would want a source for that. And regardless, if the USN wants 50 million dollar 30 foot missiles on its ABM ships then I think they are retarded.
 
Because it's the target that is side on to the radar, which means the target has a much larger RCS in that aspect.

Most Aegis BMD work to date has been against targets not on collision courses to the radar. This means larger RCS in all tests. While if you luck out and detect a ballistic missile targeting you personally while it's still in ascent, a smart programmer would point the nose of the AShBM at the target so it is head-on to the radars as soon as the missile leaves the atmosphere/ceases primary burn for minimal RCS the whole time the missile is en route. bumping the reaction thrusters to keep it pointed head-on at the radar.

Aegis on Burke looks in every direction and AKAIK the combat experience in the Med or Red Sea involved closing targets, which is what you would expect in almost any defensive situation. I do not understand the problem or geometry in some way I guess.
 
For that matter, the USN is on record saying that they could not fit both CPS and a gun into a 15kton hull in the DDGX program.

Which is also retarded. Worrying about what kind of shore bombardment gun you put into an ABM platform is like worrying about what kind of tail gun you put into a B-21.
 
Not to derail this onto the FF(X)/FFG debacle, but at some point, trying to defend everything means you defend nothing. Frederick the Great wasn't a sailor, but his maxim sure applies...
Then you lose control of the Sea Lines of Communications.

The minimum feasible capabilities for a ship continue to rise and rise. There is very little choice in the matter. Either you are able to defend against the attack or you have no ability to continue to move things by sea. And either you lose a war that is across the ocean from you or your country starves to death. Your choice.



Even assuming each CPS missile replaces a TLAM, does it really increase the number of SAM for MK41?
How may mk41 cells could be put in place if the CPS cells? I’m sure more than there are CPS, which could mean you could have at least the same number of TLAMs as CPS, and still get a few more VLS.
Let's see here. For sake of argument, you can stuff ~32x Mk41 into the same hole as 4x CPS big tubes. That's 12x CPS birds. With Mk41, you would be at +20 tubes for SAMs.

But Mk41 is kinda out of growth options, we need to move to something that can hold a larger diameter missile. Mk57 or even bigger.



I truly cannot understand why the Navy intends to field the CPS within its surface fleet. It is clearly an intermediate-range ballistic missile. Its range enables launch platforms to strike targets while remaining well outside enemy detection and surveillance coverage, making it entirely unnecessary to mount such a weapon on frontline combat vessels optimized for high-level stealth design.
Because a ballistic missile coming out of an empty patch of ocean is the start of global thermonuclear war.



Which is also retarded. Worrying about what kind of shore bombardment gun you put into an ABM platform is like worrying about what kind of tail gun you put into a B-21.
5" is not only a shore bombardment gun. It is also AA, anti-surface, anti-drone, etc.
 
Then you lose control of the Sea Lines of Communications.

The minimum feasible capabilities for a ship continue to rise and rise. There is very little choice in the matter. Either you are able to defend against the attack or you have no ability to continue to move things by sea. And either you lose a war that is across the ocean from you or your country starves to death. Your choice.




Let's see here. For sake of argument, you can stuff ~32x Mk41 into the same hole as 4x CPS big tubes. That's 12x CPS birds. With Mk41, you would be at +20 tubes for SAMs.

But Mk41 is kinda out of growth options, we need to move to something that can hold a larger diameter missile. Mk57 or even bigger.




Because a ballistic missile coming out of an empty patch of ocean is the start of global thermonuclear war.




5" is not only a shore bombardment gun. It is also AA, anti-surface, anti-drone, etc.
Mk57 sure, but do we need bigger VLS than that? For what? What capability is necessary that can’t be fit into mk57 already?
 
I truly cannot understand why the Navy intends to field the CPS within its surface fleet. It is clearly an intermediate-range ballistic missile. Its range enables launch platforms to strike targets while remaining well outside enemy detection and surveillance coverage, making it entirely unnecessary to mount such a weapon on frontline combat vessels optimized for high-level stealth design.

I feel like the obvious conclusion from this line of thought isn’t to put it on submarines, it’s to put it on glorified barges. It would be the cheapest and easiest way to deploy an asset that, as described, relies on range to keep its platform survivable.
 
Many proposals for 27" SM3/SM6, CPS/LRHW is ~34" diameter.

You could quad-pack SM2s into a 36" tube, for example.
Ok, and what exactly is the point of that?
Bigger cells take up more space, so will cover a comparable footprint, you’ll end up with roughly the same number of missiles in the end.
 
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Because a ballistic missile coming out of an empty patch of ocean is the start of global thermonuclear war.
TBF anyone who has nukes to retaliate is also someone who you don't want finding it where your battleship is. So to them it still will be a ballistic missile coming out of an empty patch of ocean...
 
I truly cannot understand why the Navy intends to field the CPS within its surface fleet. It is clearly an intermediate-range ballistic missile. Its range enables launch platforms to strike targets while remaining well outside enemy detection and surveillance coverage, making it entirely unnecessary to mount such a weapon on frontline combat vessels optimized for high-level stealth design.
Because China is BIG. More than 4000 km from East to West, to be exact. To hit targets in Inner China with 3500-km range "Dark Eagle" missile, you need launch platform relatively close to coast.

For example, to reach new Chinese ICBM fields in Yumen, you need to be within 1000 km of China coastline. By modern standards, its rather close. To hit Urumchi, you need to launch fro, Yellow Sea. And the actual situation would likely be even worse, since "Dark Eagle" is hypersonic glider, and slow down with distance, becoming more vulnerable.

It could be argued, that submarines would be a better platform, true. But its not exactly clear, how long it would took to adapt Virginia Payload Module to CPS, and how long to sertify the missile for underwater launch. Also, there are doubts that submarine within 1000 km of China coast would be able to survive and retreat after launch - unless covered by surface warships. But there come the question: if you are forced to send surface warships near China coastline anyway, then why should you add submarine? Instead of simply firing CPS from surface ships themsevles?
 
Ok, and what exactly is the point of that?
Bigger cells take up more space, so will cover a comparable footprint, you’ll end up with roughly the same number of missiles in the end.
Because you are no longer stuck with whatever weapon can be stuffed into a 21" tube, first of all.

So if you did step up to a 36-48" tube (of whatever length) as your universal VLS, you can pack each one of them with significantly more defensive missiles while fitting a longer ranged offensive missile. Or a much faster one.

So instead of a destroyer holding 96x 21" tubes, it has maybe 32-40x 48" tubes. Same rough footprint on the low end, a bit higher on the upper, but it can hold LRHW in addition to Tomahawks, Standards, ESSMs, etc. Or something even bigger than an LRHW, if you build it.

Ignoring the ever-growing ship size needed for stability for radars to be ever higher up for longer line of sight to sea-skimmers, which makes room for more of those large tubes.
 
No one is making oversized weapons or cells when the entire existing fleet is mk41. There may have been an opportunity to upgrade during the Burke restart, but at this point any DDGX/BBGX/XYZX is going to be far too few in number to justify bespoke weapons or weapon cells.
 
No one is making oversized weapons or cells when the entire existing fleet is mk41. There may have been an opportunity to upgrade during the Burke restart, but at this point any DDGX/BBGX/XYZX is going to be far too few in number to justify bespoke weapons or weapon cells.
CPS/LRHW must be in a ~35" tube, so there's already some oversized weapons that are intended to be installed in much of the USN's new ships.
 
Because China is BIG. More than 4000 km from East to West, to be exact. To hit targets in Inner China with 3500-km range "Dark Eagle" missile, you need launch platform relatively close to coast.

For example, to reach new Chinese ICBM fields in Yumen, you need to be within 1000 km of China coastline. By modern standards, its rather close. To hit Urumchi, you need to launch fro, Yellow Sea. And the actual situation would likely be even worse, since "Dark Eagle" is hypersonic glider, and slow down with distance, becoming more vulnerable.

It could be argued, that submarines would be a better platform, true. But its not exactly clear, how long it would took to adapt Virginia Payload Module to CPS, and how long to sertify the missile for underwater launch. Also, there are doubts that submarine within 1000 km of China coast would be able to survive and retreat after launch - unless covered by surface warships. But there come the question: if you are forced to send surface warships near China coastline anyway, then why should you add submarine? Instead of simply firing CPS from surface ships themsevles?
CPS was designed to be launched from VIrginia payload modules. I think it's 3 to a tube. If you need to get close, you use a sub.

Also no one is going to use CPS to shoot at ICBM fields.
 
CPS was designed to be launched from VIrginia payload modules. I think it's 3 to a tube. If you need to get close, you use a sub.
And what exactly your sub would do, after it fires its missiles - and got all patrol planes, drones, sattelites, warships and hunter-killers zeroed on its location? Because launch of CPS anywhere near China coastline would allow Chinese to immediately pinpoint the submarine position. CPS is NOT a Tomahawk; the CPS launch would be detected immediately, and starting point would be calculated in mere seconds. After which - sattelites would start to scan for water disturbances, patrol planes would rush into area to begin search, and hunter-killer groups would be deployed.

How exactly your submarine is supposed to survive that? Unless she is firing from reliable "bastion", provided by surface forces and aviation, the submarine have little chances to survive retaliation. And in conventional warfare, risk would be impractically high.

Also no one is going to use CPS to shoot at ICBM fields.
Sigh. It was just an example, you know...
 
Show me verifiable proof of the DF-21 having a tungsten penetrator warhead, and then show me verifiable proof that it has an impact velocity of mach 5.9. If you can't, please stop posting obvious ass-pulled bullshit you know nothing about and keep it on X where it belongs.
Well, if you think a tungsten penetrator would make a mess of a CVN then PLA would be very keen on putting one in their "carrier killer" DF-21. If you think its impossible, then you have already list a carrier once you find out.
That’s why lasers and maybe gun guided launched air defense rounds exist.
If they eventually make it into the fleet. MAD-FIRES appears to be still born, ALAMO isnt optimised for air defence, 3P is more for shorter range, and 5" works but more expensive and slow rate of fire. RAM are really expensive against drones & decoys in an attrition scenario. Pulsed lasers may oneday get there, on some ships...
Even assuming each CPS missile replaces a TLAM, does it really increase the number of SAM for MK41?
How may mk41 cells could be put in place if the CPS cells? I’m sure more than there are CPS, which could mean you could have at least the same number of TLAMs as CPS, and still get a few more VLS.
So CPS is the missile, not the launcher. I thought (based on publicity renders) they would use the 12 cell GVLS from LM. Not 12×3, just 12 missiles, but if not used for CPS they supposedly quadpack the standard Mk-41 cells.

Yeah maybe put a GVLS module on every amphib, keep them out of DF-21 range.
 
Which is also retarded. Worrying about what kind of shore bombardment gun you put into an ABM platform is like worrying about what kind of tail gun you put into a B-21.
They might be useful as a last ditch gun against MIRVs? Probably not enough elevation against a ballistic missile.
 
And what exactly your sub would do, after it fires its missiles - and got all patrol planes, drones, sattelites, warships and hunter-killers zeroed on its location? Because launch of CPS anywhere near China coastline would allow Chinese to immediately pinpoint the submarine position. CPS is NOT a Tomahawk; the CPS launch would be detected immediately, and starting point would be calculated in mere seconds. After which - sattelites would start to scan for water disturbances, patrol planes would rush into area to begin search, and hunter-killer groups would be deployed.

How exactly your submarine is supposed to survive that? Unless she is firing from reliable "bastion", provided by surface forces and aviation, the submarine have little chances to survive retaliation. And in conventional warfare, risk would be impractically high.


Sigh. It was just an example, you know...
Tbf with the range available to CPS a sub would be long gone from firing position by the time an aircraft could arrive
 
They might be useful as a last ditch gun against MIRVs? Probably not enough elevation against a ballistic missile.
They plan a pair of 300W lasers on each side of the ship. There will also be VLS missiles that can target them. I think relying on a plan that ships will be vulnerable to top attack is probably short-sided.
Tbf with the range available to CPS a sub would be long gone from firing position by the time an aircraft could arrive
Probably can fire them from waters outside Korea. After the Soviets removed missiles from Cuba they began parking missile subs there which were just as much a threat.
 
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They plan a pair of 300W lasers on each side of the ship. There will also be VLS missiles that can target them. I think relying on a plan that ships will be vulnerable to top attack is probably short-sided.
A 300kW laser would have to vapourise most of a ballistic missile to have much effect on its trajectory, not realistic. Anyway a 300W continous wave laser was cancelled, think it was the army one, in favour of a competing pulsed laser. Lasers will probably get updated every year or so, move the old lasers onto amphibs and oilers.

Last ditch means trying to hit something inside your missile's minimum range. You might only get one shot off and has to be a guided projectile. If its a fairly high trajectory, like a ballistic missile for example, thats just its nature. Not having enough gun elevation after a few SM3, SM6 and both PAC3s miss would be really unfortunate. I don't know if its an issue or not.
 
A 300kW laser would have to vapourise most of a ballistic missile to have much effect on its trajectory, not realistic. Anyway a 300W continous wave laser was cancelled, think it was the army one, in favour of a competing pulsed laser. Lasers will probably get updated every year or so, move the old lasers onto amphibs and oilers.

Last ditch means trying to hit something inside your missile's minimum range. You might only get one shot off and has to be a guided projectile. If its a fairly high trajectory, like a ballistic missile for example, thats just its nature. Not having enough gun elevation after a few SM3, SM6 and both PAC3s miss would be really unfortunate. I don't know if its an issue or not.
Lasers create ultra-high oscillations long before the power levels to vaporize. The vibrations generally cause irreversible catastrophic failure of materials. And you can create multiple oscillation patterns from the same laser which is counter-intuitive, but that is because lasers can spike power levels in several complimentary ways besides their natural wavelength. It is much more complicated than running a light source threw a crystaline filter. There are theories about hardening the noses of ballistic missiles but that hasn't been as successful in practice as it was in theory. Add in the HPM/DEW and main radar array radiation that can be dumped at a target, too. I am willing to bet they have many non-public tricks up their sleaves.
 
Lasers create ultra-high oscillations long before the power levels to vaporize. The vibrations generally cause irreversible catastrophic failure of materials. And you can create multiple oscillation patterns from the same laser which is counter-intuitive, but that is because lasers can spike power levels in several complimentary ways besides their natural wavelength. It is much more complicated than running a light source threw a crystaline filter. There are theories about hardening the noses of ballistic missiles but that hasn't been as successful in practice as it was in theory. Add in the HPM/DEW and main radar array radiation that can be dumped at a target, too. I am willing to bet they have many non-public tricks up their sleaves.
That sort of stuff will ruin any manoeuvring ability, but it probably wont stop the mass of the missile continuing its trajectory. Especially if theres a lump of tungsten penetrator in it. Theoretically a kinetic hit could damage the aerodynamics enough to throw it off course.
 
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