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Jemiba

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No, I won't give up to bother you with questions about those tiny little
prop driven aircraft, regardless of the overwhelming force of the fraternity
of the fast jet enthusiasts ! ;D

There were the MS.560 single seater with a 75 hp Train 6Do engine and
the MS.563 with a Walter Minor engine, for both I have photographic
evidence, even of two versions/configurations of the 563, but that's
another story.
But J.-C. Fayer mentiones a MS.561 and another source a MS.562 with a
Cirrus Minor engine. Maybe they were the re-configured/re-engined/modified
and re-designated MS.560, something, that seems to have happened several
times to some prototypes, but maybe thes were just projects. If so, they
really were VERY SECRET projects !
Perhaps they were mentioned in one of the Jane's volumes of hte years 1946
to 1950, or in a magazine of those days ... maybe one of you just has used
a page of such a magazine to wrap up his sandwiches for lunch ... so, if you're
just having lunch, please have a look !
There's still a gap between the 560 and the 563 and I want to fill this gap !
I want to catch them all, call this an obsession !
 

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Re: Morane-Saulnier MS.880-02 Rallye prototype......

Dear Jemiba, here is are two parts of a piece in French detailing changes made to the second prototype Morane-Saulnier MS.880 Rallye......

They come from the 17th February 1961 issue of Les Ailes......

Terry (Caravellarella)
 

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Thanks Terry,

seems, that differences between the first prototype and later Rallyes were more
serious, than I thought still yet and not just limited to the angled fin and shape
of the canopy.
 

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Fro aviation magazine
MS 880.01
 

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Always from aviation magazine
 

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This genealogy is great !
One question: Is there a photographic evidence, that the MS.880A
was actually fitted with tailwheel landing gear ?
 

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HI jENS
Only this answer from "Flight august 5-1960
 

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Re: Morane-Saulnier MS.880-01 Rallye prototype......

Dear Jemiba, here is a picture with a caption in French of the first prototype Morane-Saulnier MS.880 Rallye

The picture comes from the 29th October 1960 issue of Les Ailes......

Terry (Caravellarella)
 

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HI Caravellarella.
Thanks. but the problem is that we are unable to see
any photo of the prototype with a tail weel landing gear !
Perhaps this was only foreseen ??
Bye
 

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toura said:
HI Caravellarella.
Thanks. but the problem is that we are unable to see
any photo of the prototype with a tail weel landing gear !
Perhaps this was only foreseen ??
Bye

Like this Toura?
 

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Indeed, that's one of the early prototypes, or: THE prototype !
The "bubble" canopy and unswept fin seem to have been used only on
the MS.880-01, as the changes to the production version are said to have
been incorporated already in the MS.880-02.
Seem's that the answer to our question, thanks Terry !
 

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Thanks Terry ! This is just what I've never seen
Thanks again
Bye
 

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Re: Morane-Saulnier MS.880-01 Rallye prototype......

Dear Jemiba and Toura, here is an extensive article in French about the Morane-Saulnier MS.880-01 Rallye prototype. The first picture shows the MS.880-01 prototype (with optional tail undercarriage) in flight; does this mean it isn't a "project"?

The article comes from the 30th April 1960 issue of Les Ailes......

Terry (Caravellarella)
 

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Hi Terry.
Now we know all what we try to know !
with a lot of details and photos !
Thanks you very much Terry.
Bye
 

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toura said:
Hi Terry.
Now we know all what we try to know !
with a lot of details and photos !
Thanks you very much Terry.
Bye

Can you read the article clearly Toura? I'm using a large monitor so everything looks big and clear to me; but I do wonder how others can see and read what I've scanned......

Terry (Caravellarella)
 

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Re: Morane-Saulnier MS.880-01 Rallye prototype......

Dear Jemiba and Toura, here is a picture with a caption in French revealing the Morane-Saulnier MS.880-01 Rallye prototype......

The picture comes from the 23rd April 1960 issue of Les Ailes......

Terry (Caravellarella)
 

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HI TERRY.
Yes ! I've read !
I've edit and I have a good lens !
So, I see the modifications between the original plane
and its final form. Interesting I don't know all !
THANKS TERRY
Have a good day !
Bye
Paul
 

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and now the n° 02 and 03
 

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Re: Morane-Saulnier MS.880-01 Rallye prototype......

Dear Jemiba and Toura, here is part of an article in French about the Morane-Saulnier MS.880-01 Rallye prototype as exhibited at the 1959 Paris Salon……

The article comes from the 27th June 1959 issue of Les Ailes......

Terry (Caravellarella)
 

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Re: Morane-Saulnier MS.880-01 Rallye prototype......

Dear Jemiba and Toura, here is an extensive article in French about the Morane-Saulnier MS.880-01 prototype before it was named Rallye......

The article comes from the 13th June 1959 issue of Les Ailes (the orignal copy is damaged)......

Terry (Caravellarella)
 

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Slightly reworked, though I'm not convinced this makes it any better than the initial scan... ::)
 

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