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Yes the idea returning to large steering radars for a dedicated BMD ship has been kicked around in several forms, you could even call SBX-1 a cousin of that concept, but most SWOs I've met loathe the idea so I don't know how much traction it ever got.
 

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They might come around when Flight III Burkespam is canceled and any possible deployment of a AMDR hull is then put back to ~2030 by which time a clean sheet destroyer will easily be well over four billion dollars and in direct competition with the SSBN(X) program which remains an enormous black pit of unfunded construction. Our Dutch friends, one of only three fleets in the world with a functional tested ABM capability, made it work just fine with a steering SMART-L radar meanwhile.
 

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NavWeek: AMDR -- Pulse Check
Posted by Michael Fabey 2:22 PM on Apr 26, 2013

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For years now, the discussion revolving around the U.S. Navy’s vaunted proposed air-and-missile-defense radar (AMDR) – as it related to the Navy’s even-more vaunted, and proven, Aegis combat system – has been how much better and even different AMDR would be than the existing ship shield.

But now, Navy officials are saying, folks should be looking at that AMDR-Aegis relationship in a whole new light. They are not competing systems at all – AMDR is an evolution of Aegis.

“We’ll be adding a new proven radar to the Aegis combat system,” says Capt. Doug Small, AMDR program manager.

True, the Navy’s Aegis combat system remains the current gold standard for missile defense and the system’s planned improvements will make an even more effective missile shield.

But AMDR’s technology will allow ships to provide greatly improved simultaneous ballistic and air missile defense for only slightly more weight, coolant and power needs, which all translates to less acquisition cost and about the same maintenance costs as existing Aegis systems, Small says.

The three contractor teams vying for AMDR – led by Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman and Raytheon – have all already proven necessary technologies for AMDR, he says.

And AMDR will be able to operate with only a fraction of the resources needed to run all of dual-band radar (DBR) or even existing Aegis SPY radars to conduct similar missions, he says.

As initially proposed, AMDR will consist of an S-band radar for BMD and air defense, an X-band radar for horizon search, and a radar suite controller that controls and integrates the two radars.

But there have been some recent changes to that plan.

“The X-band portion of AMDR will be comprised of an upgraded version of an existing rotating radar (SPQ-9B), instead of the new design initially planned,” GAO notes. “The new radar will instead be developed as a separate program at a later date and integrated with the 13th AMDR unit.”

There are 22 planned AMDRs.

AMDR-S with the SPQ-9Bs – also called “spook nines” – will provide every bit of anti-air Warfare (AAW) coverage and protection that AMDR would have offered with the AMDR X-band radar, despite some analysts’ assertions to the contrary, Small says.

Technology advancements, Small says, have not only made the AMDR just as – or even more – capable as hoped, but at a much more affordable price tag, Small says.

The AMDR’s total price tag will be about $5.8 billion, says a recent U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) report, compared to the $15.2 billion projected last year.

That kind of cost reduction – coupled with the association with the Aegis mystique – will certainly make AMDR much easier to accept throughout Navy circles, especially the surface-ship crowd.

Going forward, though, the Navy will have to take great pains to ensure the competitiveness of the AMDR program. The service can ill afford to have this effort be seen as just an extension of the “Aegis Mafia,” often seen as a stumbling block to competitiveness.

AMDR cannot be seen as just another baseline improvement for Aegis – and therefore the automatic property of Lockheed, the combat system’s creator and prime contractor throughout the decades.

The Navy has taken great pains thus far to make sure AMDR is a separate competitive effort. It needs to stick to that course.
 

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In other words, they're dialing the program back drastically in order to make it work on DDG-51 Flight III. To the point where it's become an overpriced marginal upgrade rather than the generational upgrade it was sold to Congress as.
 

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Northrop Grumman promotional video for AMDR:

Published on Apr 11, 2013

Northrop Grumman is leveraging its extensive history of military S-band radar development along with modular, open architecture approach to provide a solution for AMDR that will scale to multiple ship classes and help protect the U.S. Navy fleet for the next forty years.
http://youtu.be/iuuRszQoIdY
 

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It was announced on October 10 that Raytheon has won the contract to produce the AMDR radar:

http://online.wsj.com/article/PR-CO-20131010-911641.html
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/amdr-competition-the-usas-next-dual-band-radar-05682/

That's a big win for them!
 

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"Navy’s Next Generation Radar Could Have Future Electronic Attack Abilities"
by Dave Majumdar and Sam LaGrone
Published: January 17, 2014 10:31 AM

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http://news.usni.org/2014/01/17/navys-next-generation-radar-future-electronic-attack-abilities

The U.S. Navy’s Air and Missile Defense radar — which is being developed by Raytheon for the service’s Flight III Arleigh Burke-class destroyer (DDG-51) — might one day be capable of performing electronic attacks with its active electronically scanned array (AESA) antenna, according to Naval Sea Systems Command.

“Right now, that’s not one of the requirements of AMDR — could be in the future — but we’re not doing that right now,” said William Williford with NAVSEA’s Program Executive Office Integrated Warfare Systems (PEO IWS) on Thursday at the Surface Navy Association 2014 symposium in Crystal City, Va.

Airborne AESA radars such as the Northrop Grumman APG-77 found on the Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor already have an electronic attack capability. In the future, the Lockheed F-35 and Boeing F/A-18E/F and EA-18G will also receive a similar capability for the Northrop APG-81 and Raytheon APG-79 radars.

Similarly, all the contenders for the Navy’s Next Generation Jammer program use new Gallium Nitride-based (GaN) transmit-receiver modules, which are rapidly succeeding the older Gallium Arsenide-based systems found on the aforementioned radars.

The Navy having adopted high-power GaN based AESA radar for the Flight III ships, can leverage those technologies to use the destroyer’s radar to perform electronic attacks.

With the precise beam steering enabled by the AESA array, it would be possible for the array to attack airborne and surface target using tightly directed beams of high-powered radio waves. Potentially, such a capability would add to the Burke’s air and ballistic missile defense capabilities by blinding enemy aircraft, ships and incoming missiles.

Further, if multiple AMDR equipped ships are operating together, it would be possible to use tied the vessels together to form networked virtual radar that has much higher resolution than a single ship could provide.

“It’s feasible, you have to get radars timed and phased,” Tad Dickenson Raytheon’s program manager for AMDR told USNI News.

That would mean that the Navy could gain the equivalent—or more likely—performance far superior to the much larger AMDR radar that had been proposed for the now moribund CG(X) missile cruiser.

“One of the technologies we’re looking at in the future is linking the sensors together, not just the combat systems, but sensor to sensor so that can give you a larger picture,” Williford said.

“It will be more than AMDR. We’re going to integrate more sensors into that activity.”

With networked capabilities, in the future, surface combatant many not need to be as large since not every ship would have to have massive radar arrays to support only their own situational awareness. Instead, the combined power of multiple vessels could result in a radar picture with a incredible resolution far greater than the sum of its parts.
 

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Model of Flight III Arleigh Burke (DDG 51) class destroyer with Raytheon Air and Missile Defense Radar on display at Sea Air Space 2014.

...the AMDR is over 30 times more powerful than the existing SPY-1 radar meaning it can put over 30 times more energy allowing to detect more targets, a lot further out. AMDR ranges about 2.5 times further compared to existing DDG 51 radar
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http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1730
 

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Without AMDR-X, that Flight III looks like it should be called Flight IIC
 

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Triton said:
I never understood why the word "Flight" is used to distinguish the variants of the Arleigh Burke class.
Eccentricities of the English language, sounds better than "batch" or "division"
 

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Or Tranche. Its bad enough the accountants have taken over, they don't have to rub it in.

Also, in beer and wine tastings, each round of samples brought out is called a flight.
 

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Or Tranche. Its bad enough the accountants have taken over, they don't have to rub it in.

Also, in beer and wine tastings, each round of samples brought out is called a flight.
So they were drunk when designed the Burke? ;D
 

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Published on Apr 26, 2014

Tad Dickenson (Raytheon's Program Manager Air and Missile Defense Radar) explains during Sea-Air-Space 2014 exposition that the AMDR is over 30 times more powerful than the existing SPY-1 radar meaning it can put over 30 times more energy allowing to detect more targets, a lot further out. AMDR ranges about 2.5 times further compared to existing DDG 51 radar.

http://youtu.be/lK7-xFR_dsg
 

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Published on May 21, 2014

The Air and Missile Defense Radar is the U.S. Navy's next generation integrated air and missile defense radar. It enhances ships' abilities to detect air, surface and ballistic missile targets.

http://youtu.be/BWUTbaIRLWA
 

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Some very interesting visualizations of the raid scenarios and intercept geometries conducted and planned for air and missile defense using SM-2/SM-6/ESSM.

I especially like the 2xSM6 vs. 4x BQM-74E (!) scenario.

If anyone is interested, I can convert and post RADM Horn's full presentation (the preso's size exceeds the maximum single attachment limit)
 

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marauder2048 said:
Some very interesting visualizations of the raid scenarios and intercept geometries conducted and planned for air and missile defense using SM-2/SM-6/ESSM.

I especially like the 2xSM6 vs. 4x BQM-74E (!) scenario.

If anyone is interested, I can convert and post RADM Horn's full presentation (the preso's size exceeds the maximum single attachment limit)

VERY INTERESTING!
 

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marauder2048 said:
Some very interesting visualizations of the raid scenarios and intercept geometries conducted and planned for air and missile defense using SM-2/SM-6/ESSM.

I especially like the 2xSM6 vs. 4x BQM-74E (!) scenario.
Not sure how they plan to hit two missiles with one interceptor without a nuke onboard. ???
 

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Possibly soft-kill.
 

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Jammers and decoys.
 

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TomS said:
Jammers and decoys.
Not sure how effective that would be vs just destroying them.
 

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sferrin said:
TomS said:
Jammers and decoys.
Not sure how effective that would be vs just destroying them.
How many air defense/missile defense missiles does a carrier strike group carry in total?
 

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marauder2048 said:
Some very interesting visualizations of the raid scenarios and intercept geometries conducted and planned for air and missile defense using SM-2/SM-6/ESSM.

I especially like the 2xSM6 vs. 4x BQM-74E (!) scenario.

If anyone is interested, I can convert and post RADM Horn's full presentation (the preso's size exceeds the maximum single attachment limit)
VERY interested. :)
 

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sferrin said:
marauder2048 said:
Some very interesting visualizations of the raid scenarios and intercept geometries conducted and planned for air and missile defense using SM-2/SM-6/ESSM.

I especially like the 2xSM6 vs. 4x BQM-74E (!) scenario.
Not sure how they plan to hit two missiles with one interceptor without a nuke onboard. ???
I'm wondering if the cruise missile pair is flying in such close proximity to one another so as to be indistinguishable in azimuth to the ship's search and track radars but
SM-6's terminal seeker can distinguish between them and detonate the warhead in the middle of the pair.
 

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Thanks for posting the whole thing, very interesting.

I'm somewhat amused that whatever rating put those slides together managed to reverse the images of the CVNs so their islands are on the wrong side of the ship.
 

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Easy enough to explain - they clearly wanted to have all the ships pointed toward the middle of the diagram but the clip art of the carriers that they had was pointing the wrong way. Easier to just flip the image than to find new art.

Been there, done similar things. There's a Navy document out there about MWR programs that has a picture of my civilian coworker climbing a mountain because we couldn't find a suitable picture of an actual sailor doing something similar and not violating some safety reg or other.
 

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"Air and Missile Defense Radar passes design reviews"
Raytheon's new radar for the U.S. Navy completes design reviews.
By Richard Tomkins | July 23, 2014 at 12:33 PM

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TEWKSBURY, Mass., July 23 (UPI) --The U.S. Navy's next-generation air and ballistic missile defense radar from Raytheon has successfully completed critical design reviews.

The hardware Preliminary Design Review and the Integrated Baseline Review of the Air and Missile Defense Radar, or AMDR, were "key milestones" of the Navy's acquisition plan and underscored the maturity of the radar's design, Raytheon said.

"The maturity of our technologies, processes and infrastructure serves as a solid foundation for our ongoing development," said Raytheon's Kevin Peppe, vice president of Integrated Defense Systems' Seapower Capability Systems business area. "With the technology risks retired in the earlier technology development phase and cost reduction initiatives already implemented, we're now fully focused on the fabrication of the AMDR system and completion of the engineering and manufacturing development phase."

Raytheon's AMDR will be the Navy's first truly scalable radar, the company said. It is built with radar building blocks that can be grouped to form any size radar aperture, and all power, command logic and software are inherently scalable.

The AMDR is small in size, taking up less space on board ships, and will allow integration with new technology developments.

Raytheon did not say when the two reviews were completed.
 

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Referring to the testing scenario visualizations I posted earlier, this looks like CG 62 (Chancellorsville) BL 9A IT (Aug - Sep 14)


"Raytheon SM-6s intercept targets in 'engage on remote' tests"

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TUCSON, Ariz., Oct. 24, 2014 /PRNewswire/ -- During the U.S. Navy's Combat Ship System Qualification Trials, the USS Chancellorsville (CG 62) tested two Raytheon Company (NYSE: RTN) Standard Missile-6 interceptors against anti-ship and cruise missile targets. As part of 'engage on remote' scenarios, the ship launched the SM-6 interceptors prior to its own radars 'seeing' the incoming threats, using targeting information from another Aegis ship in the area—the USS Sampson (DDG 102).

The first SM-6 intercepted a low-altitude, short-range supersonic target (GQM-163A), while the second intercepted a low-altitude, medium-range subsonic target (BQM-74E).

"Advanced warning and cueing from another sensor or ship allows the U.S. Navy to take full advantage of SM-6's over-the-horizon capability," said Mike Campisi, Standard Missile-6 senior program director. "Now the warfighter does not have to wait until the threat is knocking at the door to take it out. Targets are destroyed much sooner and one ship can defend a much larger area."

Deployed for the first time in December 2013, SM-6 provides the U.S. Navy extended range protection against fixed- and rotary-wing aircraft, unmanned aerial vehicles and cruise missiles.

Raytheon has delivered more than 130 SM-6 interceptors to the U.S. Navy. The missile's final assembly takes place at Raytheon's state-of-the-art SM-6 and SM-3 all-up-round production facility at Redstone Arsenal in Huntsville, Ala.
 

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marauder2048 said:
Preso in parts
Reformatted for easier viewing: http://www.xmission.com/~sferrin/State_of_IAMD_2014.pdf
 

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FTM-25 completed. Slightly different scenario depicted in the image than was reported.

"SM-3, SM-2s take on ballistic, cruise missile targets during simulated missile 'raid' attack exercise"

http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/prnewswire/NE55821.htm

PACIFIC MISSILE RANGE FACILITY, KAUAI, Hawaii, Nov. 6, 2014 /PRNewswire/ -- In partnership with the Missile Defense Agency, a U.S. Navy destroyer successfully engaged ballistic and cruise missile targets simultaneously with a Raytheon-made (NYSE: RTN) Standard Missile-3 and Standard Missile-2s in a complex integrated air and missile defense exercise.
"This test showcases the U.S.'s ability to defend against numerous ballistic and cruise missile threats in 'raid' scenarios," said Dr. Taylor W. Lawrence, president of Raytheon Missile Systems. "No other nation in the world has the capability to do what the U.S. Navy and Missile Defense Agency demonstrated today."
During the test, an SM-3 Block IB destroyed a short-range ballistic missile target, while two SM-2 Block IIIAs successfully engaged two cruise missile targets.
The SM-3's kill vehicle is designed to destroy incoming short-, medium-, and intermediate-range ballistic missile threats by colliding with them in space, a concept sometimes described as "hitting a bullet with a bullet." The SM-2 is a fleet-area air defense weapon capable of providing extended-area air defense.
The SM-3 Block IB is deployed with the U.S. Navy, while the SM-2 is deployed by the U.S. and eight allied navies.
About the Standard Missile-3
More info at the MDA link
http://www.mda.mil/news/14news0012.html
 

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Artist's Rendering - Does Not Reflect Baseline DDG-51 Flight III Design Configuration
Well with minimal investment, scaled-down AMDR, no AMDR-X on the first 13 hulls, and minimal growth margin we might as well call it Flight IIB anyway so perhaps the artist is not far off.
 

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http://www.dodbuzz.com/2014/12/29/navy-advances-design-for-new-destroyer-radar/
 
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