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Hi,

http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/2000/2000-1%20-%200199.html
 

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Now it is -800, -800F and -900.
The -700 (=-50) is still in the books but very unlikely it will ever be launched.
It would surely make the B747SP look sexy.
 

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Schorsch said:
The -700 (=-50) is still in the books but very unlikely it will ever be launched.
It would surely make the B747SP look sexy.
With the immense chord of the A380 wing roots it could probably lay claim to the title of being the first BWB airliner ;)
 

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Which Airbus A380 versions are there around?

Versions named A3XX-100, A3XX-200 are definitely what-ifs - Airbus has adopted different names and specifications by now.

A380-841 and -861 are definitely real, in service.

Is Airbus 380-800F a real plane, or what-if? All the outstanding orders have been cancelled. But Airbus is theoretically willing to accept new orders to the same specifications, should any orders be made.

What about modified passenger planes? Airbus speaks of A380-900. But although many airlines ask for it, Airbus has not officially "launched" A380-900, and is not accepting orders.

There was a plan for A380-700 as well. Which, like A380-900, is in the "unlaunched" state - but there seems to be little interest for or talk about A380-700. Is A380-700 a what-if yet?

Regarding A380-900, the plan has long been that A380-900 length would be 79,8 m, like wingspan - exactly filling 80X80 m box. But ILFC leader publicly declared that airports could handle longer planes - and asked for Airbus to produce longer 380.

Seeing how ILFC is the biggest customer of planes, is such a longer A380 a mere FANTASY, or something more serious?

How to refer to it? As A380-900, still? Or as A380-1000?

What are the inbuilt modification options of A380? The current MTOW is 569 tons. There has been talk of numbers like 590 tons, 625 tons, 650 tons...

Considering the wing loading compared to the 380 ton A340-600HGW, A380 would have the same wing loading at MTOW of 750 tons!

What are the landing gear options? It has been said that the body gears of A380 are far apart compared to B747. The distant gears would contribute to drag... Is it possible, or planned, to add fifth, middle main gear leg to A380?

Also fuselage. A380 evacuation was tested with 538 seats on lower deck and 315 seats on upper deck. There are 5 door pairs on lower and 3 pairs on upper deck.

Any stretching of A380 would cause issues with seat capacity, because there are only 12 and 15 seats left to 550 and 330. There is a provision for fourth exit pair on upper deck at the top of grand staircase. But where could sixth exit pair go on lower deck?

If A380-1000 were, say, 86,6 m long (another 6,8 m beyond 79,8 m A380-900), would six main deck door pairs and 660 seats be enough?
 

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A380-800F is a real project, but delayed after big troubles with the program. Don't rember when they gona restart it.
 

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Schorsch said:
The -700 (=-50) is still in the books but very unlikely it will ever be launched.
It would surely make the B747SP look sexy.
How do the proportions of A380-700 compare against MD-12?
 

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I have read that the first designs for what would become the A-380 were twin-fuselage airliners. Has someone seen such design from Airbus?
 

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"I have read that the first designs for what would become the A-380 were twin-fuselage airliners"

Maybe that's a misinterpretation ? I think, I've seen concepts (although in the moment, I can't
tell where .. :-\ ), with two circular fuselages side-by-side, giving an oval cross section.
 

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two circular fuselages side-by-side

Please, look at pic number 3

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,181.0/highlight,civil+aircraft+boring.html
 

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I wonder if Airbus has considered offering the A380 as a Tanker?
 

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"I wonder if Airbus has considered offering the A380 as a Tanker?"

Still yet I haven't heard of a military use of the A380 at all. And to my opinion,
using it as a tanker would mean "putting too many eggs in one basket". And I'm
not sure, that there wouldmn't be problems with overseas deployments, because
maybe not all bases could handle an aircraft of that size.
 

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Airbus A380 double decker ancestor, the ASX600

Source: Flug Revue 6/1993
 

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Airbus A380-800F. Airbus has stated that the freighter version of the A380 has been suspended until 2014. Will the original launch customers, Federal Express and United Parcel Service, return?
 

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Concept art of an Airbus A380 configured for the fleet of the President of the United States (Air Force One). Flight Global broke the story on October 17, 2007 that the United States was considering the Airbus A380 as a replacement for military aircraft derived from the Boeing 747 and the Lockheed C-5A Galaxy.
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2007/10/17/218681/exclusive-us-considers-airbus-a380-as-air-force-one-and-potentially-a-c-5-replacement.html

On January 28, 2009, EADS announced that it was not going to bid to replace the two modified Boeing 747-200 aircraft, or US Air Force designated Boeing VC-25A, SAM 28000 and SAM 29000.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/28/airbus_out_of_air_force_one/
 

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Early 1990s concepts of the DASA (Daimler Benz AeroSpace Airbus) A2000 (Model DA P502P602) and Aérospatiale ASX600. Aérospatiale studied the ASX500 and ASX600 in 1991 and 1992. The DASA A2000, Aérospatiale ASX500/ASX600, and the British Aerospace AC14 were merged into the Airbus A3XX project that later became the Airbus A380.

"Evolving a Giant" Flight International Supplement May 20-26, 2003
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/2003/2003%20-%201166.html
 

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Another scan of the Airbus Ultra High Capacity Aircraft (UHCA) concept. The Airbus UHCA had a wide-body fuselage made up of two Airbus A340 fuselages melded side-by-side and other A340 components.

According to Airbus A380: Superjumbo of the 21 Century by Guy Norris and Mark Wagner, Zenith Press; First edition (November 10, 2005):

The idea was the brainchild of (Engineer Jean) Roeder who believed that the use of existing A340 components, including wings, tail, and other systems would be the only way to attempt such an ambitious project. The concept got as far as the wind tunnel stage but did not produce encouraging results for Airbus.
http://books.google.com/books?id=KcaYjPhRnWUC&pg=PA92&dq=Airbus+A380+V+tail&lr=&as_brr=3
 

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Triton said:
During the development of the Airbus A380, Airbus evaluated large fuselage canards.
Edit: Merged with this thread.
 

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Video of Airbus concepts leading to the Airbus A380.
Really comprehensive. I'd love too see that info for every aircraft!!
 

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Hi,

here is the Airbus A380-700,800 and 900.

http://www.fly.co.uk/blog/how-big-will-planes-of-the-future-be
 

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An unfortunate coincidence regarding the Combre d'Ire massacre:
Company records show that Mr al-Hilli was also company secretary with the Wiltshire-based aerial photography company AMS. He was a freelance and did a lot of work for Surrey Satellite Technology, of Guildford. He also designed the internal parts of aircraft and was recently commissioned to design the galley of the Airbus 380. The Times
 

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Topic name changed (A380 instead of A-380). The Airbus designations are always non-hyphenated.
 

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http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/23/us-airbus-a-idUSBRE99M0RT20131023
 

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Interesting. As a historical parallel, the 747 was nearly a dead duck until the economic growth of Asia in the 1980s revived demand for big, long-range airplanes. Perhaps, like Boeing, Airbus is a decade or more ahead of demand here.
 

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"Oversize Expectations for the Airbus A380"
By JAD MOUAWAD AUG. 9, 2014

Source:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/10/business/oversize-expectations-for-the-airbus-a380.html?_r=0
 

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Making it even longer won't help... Increasing wingspan and decreasing weight will help. But in the end the huge size of the fuselage is the problem... It is not compact enough...
 

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Nice find my dear Flateric.
 
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Making it even longer won't help... Increasing wingspan and decreasing weight will help. But in the end the huge size of the fuselage is the problem... It is not compact enough...
Surely Airbus is eargerly waiting for your advice on what they should do and not do...
 

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An sarcastic remark on my statement is a little childish don't you think? Especially because I don't hear you come up with any ideas/proposals/arguments why my ideas are invalid. Just a cheap shot in the dark ;)
 
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