AI art and creative content creation

[BAROBA]

This is an area where Med-AI would be handy. A Med-AI would be region independent; it wouldn't give a damn about your financial status or your race, ethnicity, religion, political beliefs. It would just take the data and crunch it, and produce whatever results it produces.

That is what would happen in an ideal world.... In the US they would probably restrict it to Tiers and tie it to your employment. No job? No access, unless you watch 7 ads before hand... Or you get the AI running on the possible slowest computer ever invented.... The higher tiers get faster computers and more time to look up and answer or a bigger group of AI to discuss your case.

 

[Orionblamblam]

That is what would happen in an ideal world.... In the US they would probably restrict it to Tiers and tie it to your employment. No job? No access, unless you watch 7 ads before hand... Or you get the AI running on the possible slowest computer ever invented.... The higher tiers get faster computers and more time to look up and answer or a bigger group of AI to discuss your case.

That's how all technologies work. Expensive at first, then they get cheaper as they're more widely adopted. *Air* *conditioning* was originally expensive, now it's universal in all civilized societies. You can go to WalMart and buy one for less than a hundred bucks. Slow computers? Shoot, poor people now almost all have computers in their pockets that the NSA would have slaughtered whole villages for when I was a kid.

The dream for medicine would be the medbeds from "Elysium:" lay down, it scans you, finds your problems, and then uses technomagic to cure your leukemia or restore your blown-off face in a matter of seconds. Such a device would be *fantastic...* and initially, hideously expensive. Does the fact that it's initially expensive negate its value?

Or think of it this way: You've got a mystery lump that's growing by the minute. The local MedBed facility will charge you ten grand to deal with it... or make you watch seven ads. Is that too much of a price to pay, when the nearest human doctor has a thirty-hour waitlist, a severe chemical dependency, an inability to clearly communicate in your language and a poorly photocopied medical degree from The University Of Some Mud Huts?

 

[Flyaway]

Channel 4 news report on Sora and just touching on what it could mean for who work in the creative industries:

 

[Orionblamblam]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1758222036810301507

View: https://twitter.com/AlexZarkage/status/1758222036810301507

 

[Arjen]

People are interpreting this wrong. In short: a peer reviewed scientific journal published an article with laughable Midjourney AI produced illustrations, including a mouse with junk bigger than the rest of the mouse. People are going on about how AI generated art will be the death of not just art but science publication. But here's the thing: the "peers" reviewed the article and allowed it through. it wasn't the art generation system that failed; it was the dumbasses who saw the art and said "yeah, sure."

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View: https://twitter.com/GenelJumalon/status/1758189720528388458


*Anyone* should be able to look at this art and go "Hey, that don't seem right." But the "peers" didn't. This points out a problem lots of people have been pointing out in "peer review" for a long time.

A link to the referenced article would be nice, before serious criticism of peer review is attempted.
For context.

 

[Orionblamblam]

The point is that the quality of US health care is *extremely* localized, rather than national or universal, because I shudder to envisage what my experience would have been with the same kind of injuries in say Kentucky.

Ahem:

NHS dentists: Exam could be scrapped for overseas applicants​

NHS dentists: Exam could be scrapped for overseas applicants

Overseas dentists may be provisionally registered to work in the UK without checks, plans say.

www.bbc.com

It'll be a while before an AI does your dental work... but by the time dentabots are available, they may well be by far the preferred choice.

 

[Orionblamblam]

https://media3.locals.com/images/posts/originals/2024-02-17/59082/59082_e3x1vn27v74t48q.jpeg

 

[Orionblamblam]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1758205467682357732

View: https://twitter.com/samsheffer/status/1758205467682357732

 

[Apophenia]

A link to the referenced article would be nice, before serious criticism of peer review is attempted.
For context.

Peer review has been under siege for years. Consider it as one cost of the on-going commodification/mercantilisation of science.

The referenced article was: Cellular functions of spermatogonial stem cells in relation to JAK/STAT signaling pathway by Xinyu Guo, Liang Dong, and Dingjun Hao in Frontiers in Cell and Developmental Biology (Molecular and Cellular Reproduction) Volume 11, 13 Feb 2024 - https://doi.org/10.3389/fcell.2023.1339390

-- https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fcell.2023.1339390/full

Even the accreditations are somewhat garbled. All authors are connected with the 'Department of Spine Surgery' of Xi'an Honghui Hospital in Shaanxi. Xinyu and Dingjun also have positions at Jiaotong University in Xi'an.

Not surprisingly, the Chief Executive Editor of Front. Cell Dev. Biol. approved the retraction of this article on 16 February.

 

[edwest4]

Is that the sound of air being let out of those who said that steam trains/cartridge arms/horseless carriages/photographs/smokeless powder/aeroplanes/moving pictures/semiautomatics/talkies/radio/telephones/television/internet/space tourism/LucyLiubots/desktop fusion/etc. are just fads that will never really catch on?

No, no. I'll be more specific: AI art is just the Nickelodeon of the 21st Century. A passing toy with which to amuse the masses. A temporary plaything that will disappear once the next shiny, new thing appears.

 

[Orionblamblam]

No, no. I'll be more specific: AI art is just the Nickelodeon of the 21st Century. A passing toy with which to amuse the masses. A temporary plaything that will disappear once the next shiny, new thing appears.

You mean the "Hollywood of the 21st century."

The improvement of AI generated video in just a year is astonishing. The improvement of traditional Hollywood productions, TV or movies, is creakingly slow. AI will surpass it soon.

 

[shin_getter]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1758222036810301507

Man, someone has to come up with a crypto architecture for proof existence for video otherwise much of the legal system is going to hell.

Personally I think on the minimum, publishing for hash of surveillance videos is necessary. Now it doesn't prevent a planned attack but it does time stamp things which cuts down on attack vectors.

AI scene reconstruction stitching together multiple data sources also can help, with some independent sources that ought to be outside of control of wrongdoers. One strange future have people constantly recording and streaming video data all the time, not out of weird exhibitionism but as proof of innocence, as manipulation of streams can be detected all the time by cross referencing everyone else's stream. The cost of cameras and storage is quite doable for advanced economies.

Of course, that all is probably quite doable if there is 40 years to adapt the social and physical infrastructure, but I think its a real problem is within 5....

 

[Orionblamblam]

Man, someone has to come up with a crypto architecture for proof existence for video otherwise much of the legal system is going to hell.

You think that's exciting? Consider this:
It's 2027. An AI scans social media, keeping an eye out specifically for college student leaving for spring break. A mark is found: Lil Jimmy is heading to Cancun. Jimmy has posted hours of videos of himself, including his voice. The AI can replicate him perfectly... appearance, voice, mode of speech, accent, phrases, quirks. It finds his contacts and replicates *them*. AI waits for him to get to Cancun. AI then hacks his phone. It seems fine, but can't send or receive. When he tries to make calls, they go to the AI, who responds appropriately, or with cloned "not here, leave a message." texts sent out are responded to with appropriate-looking replies. Jimmy is cut off from the world and doesn't know it. AI now contacts his family and sends them a video of Jimmy being held by the cartel. May or may not include details such as bits of him being cut off with appropriate sound effects. Bitcoin and bank accounts are provided for the family to ransom him. Jimmy can answer questions; flaws in answers easily explained by the fact that his eyes have been gouged out.

AI rakes in buckets of cash. Untold psychological damage done.


Or consider: we've all understood the use of AI video to create vids of someone committing a crime. But how about a vid created to make someone *else* commit a crime? Mafia Boss has a Wife. Wife is actually loyal. But Mafia Sub-Boss creates vid of Wife going to town on, say, Police Chief. Mafia Boss goes buggo and orders hits on wife and Police Chief. This is a bridge too far and gets Mafia Boss arrested. Mafia Sub-Boss is now Mafia Boss.

Or consider: Dexter the Molester is a bad person. But he's also smart enough to know that the walls are closing in. So he creates a vid of himself doing what he actually does, where he does, with who he does... but adds *slight* errors to it. When he's caught, this vid and a few others are entered into evidence (somehow). And during the trial, these vids are shown to the jury. But then the defense finds the slight errors in the vids, the brief appearance of an extra finger (or perhaps the brief appearance of Popular Celebrity in the backgound), clear evidence of an AI video; now *all* the videos are suspect. All video evidence gets tossed, as the jury by this point is all too aware of the existence of fake videos. Case collapses.

 

[Arjen]

Peer review has been under siege for years. Consider it as one cost of the on-going commodification/mercantilisation of science.

The referenced article was: Cellular functions of spermatogonial stem cells in relation to JAK/STAT signaling pathway by Xinyu Guo, Liang Dong, and Dingjun Hao in Frontiers in Cell and Developmental Biology (Molecular and Cellular Reproduction) Volume 11, 13 Feb 2024 - https://doi.org/10.3389/fcell.2023.1339390

-- https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fcell.2023.1339390/full

Even the accreditations are somewhat garbled. All authors are connected with the 'Department of Spine Surgery' of Xi'an Honghui Hospital in Shaanxi. Xinyu and Dingjun also have positions at Jiaotong University in Xi'an.

Not surprisingly, the Chief Executive Editor of Front. Cell Dev. Biol. approved the retraction of this article on 16 February.

In my view, the disproportional presentation of rat testes isn't what led to the retraction of the article.
In some cases, a drawing is made with unrealistic proportions to make the information it presents easier to parse.
Compare the two presentations - realistic vs. schematic - of the London Underground.
The rat image could be misinterpreted as presenting a realistic view of a grossly malformed rat, but the target audience for the article would look beyond that. What they wouldn't look beyond is the inaccurate number of testes and a general freehand interpretation of mammalian anatomy.
The AI-generated captions inside the article's illustrations are comically unreadable, I presume that was the main reason for the article's retraction. They only detract from the information presented in the article's text. Shoddy, lazy work.

From the Frontiers in Cell and Developmental Biology site:

The final, formatted version of the article will be published soon.

A revised article is apparently being worked on, when approved, may be presented in the future.

Images of tube maps attached.
Screen grabs of the article attached.

 

[Arjen]

An expert's view (Elisabeth Bik) on this sorry mess:

The rat with the big balls and the enormous penis – how Frontiers published a paper with botched AI-generated images

A review article with some obviously fake and non-scientific illustrations created by Artificial Intelligence (AI) was the talk on X (Twitter) today. The figures in the paper were generated by the …

scienceintegritydigest.com

Figure 3 appears to show a bunch of pizzas with pink salami and blue tomatoes.
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But the paper is actually a sad example of how scientific journals, editors, and peer reviewers can be naive – or possibly even in the loop – in terms of accepting and publishing AI-generated crap. These figures are clearly not scientifically correct, but if such botched illustrations can pass peer review so easily, more realistic-looking AI-generated figures have likely already infiltrated the scientific literature. Generative AI will do serious harm to the quality, trustworthiness, and value of scientific papers.

What Frontiers in Cell and Developmental Biology had to say:

Frontiers statement concerning the article "Cellular functions of spermatogonial stem cells in relation to JAK/STAT signaling pathway", published on 13 February 2024

Thanks to the crowdsourcing dynamic of open science, we promptly acted upon the community feedback on the AI-generated figures in the article "Cellular function

www.frontiersin.org

Our investigation revealed that one of the reviewers raised valid concerns about the figures and requested author revisions. The authors failed to respond to these requests. We are investigating how our processes failed to act on the lack of author compliance with the reviewers' requirements. We sincerely apologize to the scientific community for this mistake and thank our readers who quickly brought this to our attention.

 

[Justo Miranda]

That rat must be very popular in some scientific circles, but I hadn't heard of it because of some kind of censorship.

 

[edwest4]

You mean the "Hollywood of the 21st century."

The improvement of AI generated video in just a year is astonishing. The improvement of traditional Hollywood productions, TV or movies, is creakingly slow. AI will surpass it soon.

Storytelling. You've heard of it? I work with top professional storytellers. It's a process that requires creativity. AI art is like giving a monkey a paint brush.

 

[Justo Miranda]

Storytellers no longer need creativity, just darkness to save money on movie shoots.

 

[edwest4]

Storytellers no longer need creativity, just darkness to save money on movie shoots.

Darkness? I am working to banish darkness in the art samples my company gets. A knowledge of the use pf darkness in movies and photography is required. It must be used sparingly and for a desired effect. It is not a default to be used at whim.

 

[Orionblamblam]

Storytelling. You've heard of it? I work with top professional storytellers. It's a process that requires creativity.

"Madame Web," have you heard of it? "Wish?" Hollywood is perfectly capable of cranking out hundred-million dollar movieproduct that has never even brushed by "storytelling" in a hallway somewhere.

Creative writers exist wherever you go. You know, storytellers. AI will give them the tools they need to translate their stories into videos of all lengths and qualities. If a good storyteller in Ann Arbor or Addis Abbaba can use an AI to turn his yarn into not just a movie, but at movie that matches his vision almost *exactly,* why would anyone rather have aversion filtered through a legion of lawyers and suits and "creatives" with different visions, motives and ideologies?

Imagine how happy the fans of "The Witcher" would be if Andrzej Sapkowski had been able to makes the movies himself. The characters look the way he imagined, they act the way he imagined, in a world like he imagined. Rather than whatever the hell it was that Natflix made.

 

[Apophenia]

An expert's view (Elisabeth Bik) on this sorry mess:

Yep, with "the paper is actually a sad example of how scientific journals, editors, and peer reviewers can be naive – or possibly even in the loop – in terms of accepting and publishing AI-generated crap" being the key bit. In this case, sad in all respects.

If this paper was indeed peer reviewed, Frontiers still has a lot of explaining to do once their 'process investigations' are done.

Nor does it speak well of our society that the degeneration of peer review of scientific papers only receives wider attention when large phalli are in evidence. Reminds me of Blackadder the Third's Partridge: "Bums! Sounds a bit like 'bum', doesn't it?" Sigh ...

 

[edwest4]

"Madame Web," have you heard of it? "Wish?" Hollywood is perfectly capable of cranking out hundred-million dollar movieproduct that has never even brushed by "storytelling" in a hallway somewhere.

Creative writers exist wherever you go. You know, storytellers. AI will give them the tools they need to translate their stories into videos of all lengths and qualities. If a good storyteller in Ann Arbor or Addis Abbaba can use an AI to turn his yarn into not just a movie, but at movie that matches his vision almost *exactly,* why would anyone rather have aversion filtered through a legion of lawyers and suits and "creatives" with different visions, motives and ideologies?

Imagine how happy the fans of "The Witcher" would be if Andrzej Sapkowski had been able to makes the movies himself. The characters look the way he imagined, they act the way he imagined, in a world like he imagined. Rather than whatever the hell it was that Natflix made.

Wake me up when that AI blockbuster hits. Meanwhile, Hollywood has a long history of hits and misses and break-evens.

 

[Orionblamblam]

Wake me up when that AI blockbuster hits. Meanwhile, Hollywood has a long history of hits and misses and break-evens.

Hollywood had no history of hits whatsoever until it existed. AI movies are on the verge of existing. Hollywood is on the verge of being as culturally relevant as the Tony Awards.

 

[Dilandu]

Storytelling. You've heard of it? I work with top professional storytellers. It's a process that requires creativity. AI art is like giving a monkey a paint brush.

Which is, by the way, the distillated creativity. Making sence of what we create required logic and common sence, that AI lacks.

 

[Dilandu]

Imagine how happy the fans of "The Witcher" would be if Andrzej Sapkowski had been able to makes the movies himself. The characters look the way he imagined, they act the way he imagined, in a world like he imagined. Rather than whatever the hell it was that Natflix made

Actually they probably wouldn't. They have an established image of Geralt (the Witcher) from games, not from Sapkowski writing. Essentially it was the games, which made "Witcher" an international phenomenon; before that, it was well-known and loved in Poland, Russia, Belarus and Ukraine, but virtually unknown to West.

 

[Justo Miranda]

Darkness? I am working to banish darkness in the art samples my company gets. A knowledge of the use pf darkness in movies and photography is required. It must be used sparingly and for a desired effect. It is not a default to be used at whim.

I agree with that, the fight against darkness is life or death.

 

[Justo Miranda]

Wake me up when that AI blockbuster hits. Meanwhile, Hollywood has a long history of hits and misses and break-evens.

In my opinion the system will never allow a good storyteller in Ann Arbor or Addis Ababa to use an AI to turn their story into not just a movie, but a movie that matches their vision almost *exactly*, it would be too much power concentrated in a single individual. A good story that touches the souls of many people could create a new belief system of exponential growth that neither the Oscars ceremony, nor the World Cup, nor an Olympics could stop.

 

[Orionblamblam]

Actually they probably wouldn't. They have an established image of Geralt (the Witcher) from games, not from Sapkowski writing. Essentially it was the games, which made "Witcher" an international phenomenon; before that, it was well-known and loved in Poland, Russia, Belarus and Ukraine, but virtually unknown to West.

The it seems an author-accurate Witcher would be popular in Poland, Russia, Belarus and Ukraine. The Netflix Witcher seems popular in nowhere. Not everything needs to be a blockbuster in the USA or, today, China. Some things should be simply *good.*

An accurate Witcher would be in Polish... but being AI generated, auto-translation to English or Dutch or Klingon should be straightforward. If the watcher wants the Witcher re-cast For A Modern Audience, I'm sure they can type in a few preferences and all of a sudden Geralt is played by Lizzo. But at least the author gets his vision out there.

 

[Justo Miranda]

When a very creative guy gets tired of seeing ugly things on TV, he can use AI to watch something more enjoyable.

 

[Justo Miranda]

Other worlds, other realities or the future that never happened.

 

[Dilandu]

When a very creative guy gets tired of seeing ugly things on TV, he can use AI to watch something more enjoyable.

Aw, "Perry Rhodan"! Love this old book series (currently I'm on 600s novels). And it is a perfect example, actually, how improvement in autotranslate made country-specific things available worldwide. "Perry Rhodan" was virtually unknow outside Germany due to language barrier - before efficient autotranslate, it was essentially impossible to translate 3000+ books (new novel every week!) on any other language. Now? All I need to load it into Google and hit "translate (german-english)" to got perfectly readable text in just few seconds.

 

[publiusr]

Through model kits I heard of Perry even before Dan Dare.

 

[martinbayer]

An expert's view (Elisabeth Bik) on this sorry mess:

The rat with the big balls and the enormous penis – how Frontiers published a paper with botched AI-generated images

A review article with some obviously fake and non-scientific illustrations created by Artificial Intelligence (AI) was the talk on X (Twitter) today. The figures in the paper were generated by the …

scienceintegritydigest.com

What Frontiers in Cell and Developmental Biology had to say:

Frontiers statement concerning the article "Cellular functions of spermatogonial stem cells in relation to JAK/STAT signaling pathway", published on 13 February 2024

Thanks to the crowdsourcing dynamic of open science, we promptly acted upon the community feedback on the AI-generated figures in the article "Cellular function

www.frontiersin.org

Oh look - a blatant fake originating from China, of all places! Who knew...

 

[martinbayer]

Storytellers no longer need creativity, just darkness to save money on movie shoots.

The logical ultimate endpoint of this trend is a movie with a screen that is 100% black for the whole duration. Welcome back to radio. Only problem is that movie sound is becoming ever more unintelligible as well, see https://medium.com/mind-cafe/why-movie-dialogue-is-so-hard-to-understand-these-days-f8948881798a and https://www.slashfilm.com/673162/he...icult-to-understand-and-three-ways-to-fix-it/. Oh well, I guess I'll have to rewatch Blazing Saddles again.

 

[edwest4]

Hollywood had no history of hits whatsoever until it existed. AI movies are on the verge of existing. Hollywood is on the verge of being as culturally relevant as the Tony Awards.

Yeah, yeah. Have you ever written a computer program? Did a math problem wrong? Artificial nothing is nothing - without human beings. Anybody who thinks these programs have any "intelligence" are living in fantasy land.

 

[edwest4]

The it seems an author-accurate Witcher would be popular in Poland, Russia, Belarus and Ukraine. The Netflix Witcher seems popular in nowhere. Not everything needs to be a blockbuster in the USA or, today, China. Some things should be simply *good.*

An accurate Witcher would be in Polish... but being AI generated, auto-translation to English or Dutch or Klingon should be straightforward. If the watcher wants the Witcher re-cast For A Modern Audience, I'm sure they can type in a few preferences and all of a sudden Geralt is played by Lizzo. But at least the author gets his vision out there.

I speak Polish - what the heck are you talking about? Compared to American English, the word order is different. And words can be omitted and still get the complete meaning across.

 

[Orionblamblam]

Anybody who thinks these programs have any "intelligence" are living in fantasy land.

Same can be said for Hollywood executives.

 

[Orionblamblam]

I speak Polish - what the heck are you talking about? Compared to American English, the word order is different.

Irrelevant. Once AI movies are realized, alternate language tracks won't be as coarse as simply having different audio tracks; the video will alter on the fly. You won't need to torture translations to make a crude effort to fit the dubbing; you'll change what the characters appear to say, including changing the length of time it takes to say it.

 

[Arjen]

DPD's poetic chatbot, now retired.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1748034519104450874

View: https://twitter.com/ashbeauchamp/status/1748034519104450874

 

[edwest4]

Same can be said for Hollywood executives.

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The company I work for is currently dealing with Hollywood executives in regard to a licensing deal. It's surprising what the average person does not know. Artificial Non-intelligence was created by human beings. The newest hot thing - for the moment.