Agusta A129 variants

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iverson said:
... two Martes might be a bit of a load, especially if the radar also adds weight.

Then maybe we are back at just one ASM and the other side occupied by an auxiliary tank
of lower weight ? The problem of missile fin/landing-gear strut collisions may be solved by
stub wings with a little wider span, I think.
 

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Here a picture and a 3view-drawing of an early mockup of the Agusta A.129 from 1975.
Notice, that this early version had skids.
The 7.62mm machine gun is folded up and to the starboard side during main flight.
Edit:
Yes, robunos,
the caption mentions, that dynamic and structural components of the Agusta A.109A "„Hirundo“ were used.

Source: Interavia Germany, March 1975, page 245
 

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Appears to use the same tail end as the Agusta A109, as well as the dynamic components...

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The 7.62mm machine gun is folded up and to the starboard side during main flight.
The installation appears to be the Emerson Electric MiniTAT.
 

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My T-129K ATAK pics as I attended both ILA Berlin and Farnborough Airhsow

ILA:

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and Farnborough

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Not much to go on yet. I have been told the new helo is called as of now the "AHX-29" and is a development of the Mangusta with more speed and endurance.
Thanks to Whelleuss over on milphotos.

The MoD provisional budget document also lists a handful of new research programs that could lead to procurements. Research work on a new "exploration and escort" helicopter is listed, as is the study and development of a new tilt-rotor aircraft.
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/policy-budget/budget/2015/01/13/italy-budget-freccia-satellite-cosmo-skymed/21460287/
 

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RavenOne said:
My T-129K ATAK pics as I attended both ILA Berlin and Farnborough Airhsow

ILA:

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and Farnborough

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cheers

Ah sadly, a similar configuration of this known as the 'Scorpion,' should have had a Kangaroo on it! :mad: Instead, my Army/Gov elected to buy the troublesome and costly Euro Tiger :-[

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Another benefit of this helicopter is that it is much smaller than the AH-64, Tigre or Mi-24/28. It now has a decent power to weight ratio I am told.
 

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Would like to see more on the A-129/139 Utility derivative!!

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TinWing said:
pometablava said:
2. A-129 Utility derivative mockup (Le Bourget 1993 I think)

Actually, the utility version was called the A-139. The design was announced in 1985, and it was claimed that Argentina would fund it. That obviously came to nothing, but as late as two or three years ago the same design was resurrected and marketed to Australia...which bought the NH90 instead.

Sorry my friend, but re reading again, can I ask if you have more details to
but as late as two or three years ago the same design was resurrected and marketed to Australia...which bought the NH90 instead.

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new Agusta model.....don`t know if official or fanmade? but there were talks about a succesor to the A-129
 

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Presented by an Italian Army official as a real program (article in Polish):

http://www.defence24.pl/689128,wloski-smiglowiec-szturmowy-nowej-generacji-ah-249-analiza

Edit: It's also mentioned in the Combat Helicopters conference agenda:

http://www.combat-helicopter.com/conference-agenda.php

Developing the Italian Army’s exploration and escort helicopter (AW249) for modern operations
  • Background to the programme and updates so far
  • Lessons identified that have changed requirements during the process
  • Opportunities for assistance from allied nations and solution providers

Lieutenant Colonel Claudio Orioles, Aviation Logistics Chief, Italian Army

And some mention of systems, before the AW249 designation was attached.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/italy-presses-ahead-with-aw129-attack-helicopter-rep-433209/
The AW129s have been in service since 1990, and Rome believes the age and condition of its Mangusta fleet means the aircraft are no longer suited to the increasing demands placed on them, according to contract documents.

Its replacement – which it calls the new exploration and escort helicopter – will offer more performance than the AW129 in areas such as survivability, offensive capability, digital communications and autonomy.

However, the defence ministry also stipulates the use of already mature technologies, including the TM197B 20mm chin gun, Rafael Spike missile and Toplite targeting system from the AW129, as well as the transmission and main and tail rotors from the AW149 troop transport.
 

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I had my own ideas about this
 

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stimpy75 said:
new Agusta model.....don`t know if official or fanmade? but there were talks about a succesor to the A-129

Nice find Stimpy75;

and the AH-249 is new for me.
 

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AgustaWestland AH-249

The New Mangusta Is Called AgustaWestland AH-249
(Source: HeliPress.it; posted Nov 02, 2017)

Source:
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/188101/veil-lifted-on-new-italian-army-combat-helicopter.html

The Italian army’s future scout and escort helicopter was unveiled during the Combat Helicopters 2017 conference in Krakow, Poland.

Last year, the mysterious AgustaWestland AW249 was unveiled almost by accident last year by Leonardo's then-CEO, Mauro Moretti. Since then, months of silence, with no official or unofficial news.

Well, the AW249 is no longer mysterious. It exists and will soon be real, as the new-generation military helicopter that, with the new designation AH-249A, will replace the Italian army’s AH-129D (AW129) Mangusta.

AH-249A: SUCCESSOR TO MANGUSTA

The new design, first reported by Defense24.pl, was unveiled at the Combat Helicopters 2017 conference in Krakow, Poland, along with a series of new details on the program. The Scout and Escort helicopter will be fitted with the same powerpack as the AW149 military utility helicopter and will have a maximum take-off weight of between 7-8 tonnes (depending on the version) that will position the new helicopter Italian military slightly above the Airbus Helicopters Tiger (6 tonnes) and just below the Bell AH-1Z Viper (8 tonnes), but far from the flying AH-64E Apache, Mi-28 and Ka-52 flying gunships. (In other words, it will be over 50% larger than the A-129 Mangusta currently in service—Ed.)

Among the main goals of the Mangusta's evolution is the ability to operate at a performance level comparable to the NH90 and CH-47F helicopters currently supplied to the Italian army’s aviation command, something that the AH-129D could no longer guarantee, especially in terms of range.

AH-249A: PERFORMANCE AND STEALTH CAPABILITIES

Greater emphasis was put on performance in extreme conditions. The operating temperature range of the new AH-249A will vary from -40 degrees C to +50 degrees C, and the helicopter will be equipped with components that can protect against dust, sand, snow and corrosion in maritime environments.

Among other details that are still little known is the radar signature. The new Mangusta will certainly not be a stealth aircraft, but as it will be used with scout and reconnaissance missions it will have to be fitted with signature management systems and some ways to reduce its radar cross-section. To this end, the AH-249 will be equipped with infrared signature reduction devices (in particular, for turbine exhaust gases) and a system of active electronic countermeasures and software systems against hacking.

It is also worth mentioning the new helicopter will have the ability to interact with UAVs, both in terms of information exchange and in the management of drones currently in use in the Italian Armed Forces.

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From JAWA 1988,

the Tonal derivative.
 

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Agusta A.129 Mangusta, manufacturers display model, International Helicopter Museum, Weston Super Mare, 2018
 

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Hi guys
i found this photo of a mangusta which to me looks preatty interesting. It looks like a production version (even if the dark part of the engine make a bit tricky to recognize the T800 from the rolls-royce engine, so it can also be part of the International programm) with something under the fusolage.
An other image from a model kit seems to resemble this particoular 129 with this weird configuration used for the 20mm turret. there are more info about this?
 

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Hi guys
i found this photo of a mangusta which to me looks preatty interesting. It looks like a production version (even if the dark part of the engine make a bit tricky to recognize the T800 from the rolls-royce engine, so it can also be part of the International programm) with something under the fusolage.
An other image from a model kit seems to resemble this particoular 129 with this weird configuration used for the 20mm turret. there are more info about this?

Definitely one with the T800 engine -- I can make out the "LHTEC" marking on the engine fairing.

I suspect this is an early version of an M197 installation with an enclosed turret like the one on the Bell AH-1. The barrel group is either removed or foreshortened because the turret is swiveled toward the camera (as are the optics).
 

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Agusta A129 LBH (Light Battlefield Helicopter) mockup


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this is a cool one: T800 engines, 5 blades, no turret, spike atms
what do you think was it's purpose? maybe a prototype to test the spike on the platform?
 

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Agusta / FMA A-129 Utility
 

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Agusta / FMA A-129 Utility
It seems an extensive article on the A129 Utility. Some serious information on Argentina's involvement? Would be great to know what is says in English

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Agusta / FMA A-129 Utility
It seems an extensive article on the A129 Utility. Some serious information on Argentina's involvement? Would be great to know what is says in English

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It was written in Spanish and English. In each page you can read left column in Spanish, right column in English
 

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Agusta / FMA A-129 Utility
It seems an extensive article on the A129 Utility. Some serious information on Argentina's involvement? Would be great to know what is says in English

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It was written in Spanish and English. In each page you can read left column in Spanish, right column in English
Thank you Erdosain that's embarrassing that I didn't notice that.


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The most up-to-date variant of the 129 platform, modifications by TAI - second phase of T-129 project for Turkish Armed Forces.
Modifications on wings, aft and rear of the platform include Radar Warning Receivers, Radio Frequency Jammers and Laser Warning Receiver
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Another fine demonstration of parasite drag.

… and no, I am not saying it is a bad helicopter.
 

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Another fine demonstration of parasite drag.

… and no, I am not saying it is a bad helicopter.

Do they have enough gadgets hanging off that helicopter?

Looks like a salesmans' wet dream?
 

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There is definitely room for a 'porcelin throne' on there.
 

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Interesting pic. I think it's odd that they feel the need to have flip-up covers over the seekers on the UMTAS antitank missiles (outboard). Bespeaks a lack of confidence in the durability of their seeker windows.

And I assume the big pod under the starboard wing is test instrumentation, given the huge number of cables running into it.
 

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And I assume the big pod under the starboard wing is test instrumentation, given the huge number of cables running into it.

I would agree, but if might be a gun pod of some sort as a second guess.
 

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Interesting pic. I think it's odd that they feel the need to have flip-up covers over the seekers on the UMTAS antitank missiles (outboard). Bespeaks a lack of confidence in the durability of their seeker windows.

I would expect it has more to do with potential polution during flight. Going through swarms of insects with speed does not do a favour to visibility through windows of seekers.
 

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