1943 US Carrier Torpedo/Bomber/Attack Aircraft Competition

[Justo Miranda]

Douglas BTD-1 Destroyer

 

[Justo Miranda]

Post-2

 

[Justo Miranda]

Douglas TB2D Skypirate

 

[Justo Miranda]

Post 2

 

[Justo Miranda]

Martin AM-1 Mauler

 

[Grey Havoc]

Regarding the Mauler:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INWxguRYEdc

 

[Justo Miranda]

Post 2

 

[Justo Miranda]

Kaiser Fleetwings XBTK-1

 

[Justo Miranda]

Grumman AF-2 Guardian

 

[hesham]

The Douglas XTB2D-1 wing tunnel Model.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

Martin also submitted a proposal for VSB competition ?!.

 

[tallguy]

Any further info on the Hall submission would totally make my day. Heck, my month!

 

[hesham]

Hi,

Martin also submitted a proposal for VSB competition ?!.

My dear Antonio,

I think you sent a PDF file before,contain a drawings to the competitors to this contest or anther one here,but I can't find it in my files ?.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

Boeing Model-289 was submitted to SD-119-3,as a bomber and torpedo
aircraft competition VB-VT,never heard about it before ?.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

Boeing Model-289 was submitted to SD-119-3,as a bomber and torpedo
aircraft competition VB-VT,never heard about it before ?.

I want to ask,if there was also "SE" series of Specifications with "SD" or not ?.

 

[Justo Miranda]

Grumman AF-2 Guardian

Post-2

 

[Justo Miranda]

Post-3

 

[Justo Miranda]

Curtiss XSB2D/XSB3C

 

[Justo Miranda]

Curtiss XBTC

 

[Justo Miranda]

Post-2

 

[Justo Miranda]

Post 2

Post-3

 

[Justo Miranda]

Douglas XSB2D-1 Turkey

 

[Justo Miranda]

Brewster SBA/SBN

 

[Justo Miranda]

Brewster Buccaneer/Bermuda

 

[Justo Miranda]

Post-2

 

[hesham]

The Douglas XTB2D-1 wing tunnel Model.

Hi,

The Colossal Skypirate Was A Beast Of A Carrier Aircraft Design

With 70 feet of wingspan and a 22 foot high tail, the Skypirate was the huge piston powered Navy torpedo bomber that never came to be.

www.twz.com

 

[Stargazer]

If you've got plenty of money to burn and want to purchase something really original and unique, you can always purchase an original identification plate from the XBTK-1 on eBay... for 1100 bucks!

 

[galgot]

Nice pict of the Kaiser Fleetwings XBTK-1

 

[Archibald]

Not many planes to be salvaged here; lot of waste. Was any of these planes good ? And then the Skyraider flattened every single of them.

Tangentially related thread there https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/th...-usn-wwii-dive-torpedo-bomber-projects.38842/

10 failures to get the Skyraider, that's a pretty wasteful way of proceeding.

 

[iverson]

Not many planes to be salvaged here; lot of waste. Was any of these planes good ? And then the Skyraider flattened every single of them.
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10 failures to get the Skyraider, that's a pretty wasteful way of proceeding.

I wouldn't say that. Waste was pretty much irrelevant to the US war effort at the time, as long as it facilitated huge production volume. Moreover, each of the AD's direct contenders had attractive attributes. For example:

* The BTK was smaller than the AD. It could use the tried and tested R-2800, which would make maintenance and spares supply easier. It also might be possible to fit more of them aboard carriers, which could be important given if single-engined, single-seat bombers suffered higher than anticipated attrition.

* The heavy-weight AM could carry more ordinance and, presumably, fuel which would increase mission flexibility and improve combat effectiveness (fewer sorties against given objectives, etc.). It needed the newest and most powerful available engine, the promising R-4360--attractive, but so new that it presented considerable development risk.

* The AD was the middle-weight, which might have seemed the best of both worlds. But it used the R-3350, an engine that had a sad history of development and design problems, even if those were largely resolved.

So I can understand why the USN would cover its bets in the way it did. In hindsight, the AD seems to have been the obvious best choice. But at the time, the AD's long history of satisfactory service did not yet exist. In the run-up to the anticipated invasion of Japan, the USN faced challenges that the AD's later wars never presented. So it must have been hard know what would be best.

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[DWG]

10 failures to get the Skyraider, that's a pretty wasteful way of proceeding.

It didn't help that they ran the competition for a two seat dive-bomber right through to building prototypes, and then decided to go for single-seaters instead.

 

[Colonial-Marine]

Most of the contracts make some degree of sense to me. But I'm amazed Curtiss got one for the XBTC-2 after all the trouble with the SB2C Helldiver and a series of disappointing prototypes. And then a few months later they got another contract for the XBT2C-1 for the same Navy requirement for a new dive/torpedo bomber.