As if Ukraine and/or NATO would not just hit every single Russian refinery more or less simultaneously.
Refineries are out 2-3 months when they burn in peacetime.
also, air bases.
not to be a smartass, I know that ATACMs and PRSM are comparable to Iskander's in range but is there something that I missed that there is a oreshnik equivalent missile I dont know about in europe? Or some kind of Geran long range drones equivalent assuming those dont get hit?
I was thinking Tomahawk and C-ALCMs and AGM-158s.
Dark Eagle - 4500km.
You need to hit specific equipment in refinery for that...and may as well just drop PGM on it (and which oreshnik may easily miss, for kinetic rods only direct hit counts).
I guess the problem for both sides is that they actually couldn't do it all that well.
Tomahawks can do that. Remember the footage of them flying straight down streets in Baghdad and then turning up to hit various buildings?
You need many per target(at some point it turns stupid - every gas tank needs it's own one, when really anything hot enough can light it up). Every single "point"(strike)of single warhead LACM comes with it's own engine, airframe, seekers, etc.
Most seem to agree that the target was most likely Bila Tserkva Air Base. Something that warrants the usage of such a weapon, a target where the window of opportunity is sufficiently small to justify the usage of Oreshnik (not Rubezh, lol). Possibly as aircraft were put on readiness as drones and other missiles made their way to Kiev proper. Either to move the aircraft out of harms way or to aid in interception efforts, the main mission of the UAF these days.
I'm unsure I'd go along with this assessment, surely targets of economic value are up on the list for such a weapon system to attack, but the main purpose I'd wager would be to hit air bases and naval bases, aircraft, submarines and ships before they make it out of port or their respective base. That is especially relevant for the Baltic and North Sea I'd say, it's one way to ensure the GIUK gap and Baltic sea remain contested or can be outright won.
Defence industries, plants...
Ah, nookposting in the year of our Lord 2026.
WTF is nookposting? Is this like some new terminology zoomers nowadays use on the internet use or what?
probably true if you only cherry pick images.
are you sure those were not gerans? Did you know military aircraft or any aircrafts need airfields to fly?
Are you sure the garage complex was hit with a oreshnik and not a geran.
The closest to oreshnik in EU is M51 fielded by French and Trident- II fielded by UK.
No the french haven't discovered tungsten yet.
not even conventional warheads? doesn't have to be tungsten rods
Technically speaking, if you remove uranium from these MIRV, they become conventional or you can just use dummy warhead (like they often does in test). A slug moving at Mach 24-25 is still quite dangerous even without any explosive.
Nookposting = Posting posturing about nuclear weapons. Very gauche. Don't do it, it just makes you look like a posturing sore loser.
then why do you suggest its zipcode or piss poor area accuracy if they didn't even disclose satellites images as proof yet of accuracy as you are stating now, do you see the problem with your previous post?
All you need to do is hit the distillation towers, where the raw crude comes in to be separated. That's the most critical point, and the single hardest part to replace.
The Norks?!?
Or from if the submunitions are moving away from the viewer horizontally.
Nothing with conventional HE, but you can always drop a couple hundred kg of instrumented test warhead on a target.
When people will finally read something of average impact speed for average RVs...
Someone saying Air Base, others saying plants?
There's literally no way of knowing where any of those images are. Some look like a residential area, since there are kids walking across the street.
I feel the onus is on the attacking party to do that. Without such images, there's no evidence that the statement of 'piss poor area accuracy' is false.
Err.. nope.. Do not try to re-write history.
Weren't US Dark Eagles fielded in Germany though?
why are you showing me a missile or bomb when it can be a geran that hit a garage complex?
Hard to know what exactly hit what from geran, tungsten rods, bombs or missiles since sometimes the sources we get are from someone claiming to intercept a Kinzhal when instead they show a bomb next to them.
This is some old IQ check.
The picture and link refers to the original argument about Kinzhal shootdown and proof it is not a BETAB-500.
Hard to know it wasn't 'piss poor area accuracy' then.
Except it wasn't a bomb because the welding seams were in the wrong place, as shown by the image in my previous post. And why would a bomb that lands on its nose have a hole in the nose but otherwise nose point still intact?
it sure is an IQ check
