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Definitely F-15 wreckage, but it looks like it's been out in the desert for a very long time. Plants growing around the charred impact crater show no sign of having been burned.
Could be the plane crashed empty of fuel, hence no big fire on impact. We don't know what kind damages it took when hit, could have caused a major fuel leak.
From another source, plane was hit over Téhéran, crew managed to fly the damaged plane 250 km south of it before ejecting.
 
From another source, plane was hit over Téhéran, crew managed to fly the damaged plane 250 km south of it before ejecting.
The Wind of 120 days is supposed to begin before long if it hasn't already... something to consider. That may carry a parachuted figure quite a ways:

Hippy-dippie weatherman signing off
 
I wonder what's the manpad situation in Iran.
Granted, manpads are expensive weapons and Iran didn't really believe its population before the war to distribute them around, but at this rate they shouldn't be concerned about Kharg, they should be concerned about Tehran.
 
One has to recall that MANPADS, unlike rifles, are not a "one trigger pull" weapon. There are seven steps to a MANPADS engagement. Screw up or ignore the last 3/4 and the weapon does not function correctly. A good number of MANPADS were shot at U.S. Army helicopters in Iraq over the years. Most failed due to operator error. Others were defeated by survivability equipment on the aircraft. There is a certain amount of training involved and I doubt the Iranian government would just hand out MANPADS as they are very lucrative black market items, not to mention someone not aligned with the government might use it against them. So they might not be as ubiquistous as one might think.
Massed rifle fire is still more dangerous.
HH-60W are armed with .50 cal and M134 mini-gun so they can put out a fair amount of firepower.
 
Although it's much less likely because unlike the US the Chinese have invested their resources into what matters, which isn't obsolete bombers and maintaining forever platforms of questionable viability.
I don't consider stealth bombers as obsolete.

Like current J-36 itself is kinda a stealth fighter-bomber.
Xi'an H-20 program still going on.
Recently flown large chinese stealth bomber drone.

Russia which has invested highly on offensive missiles of all kinds , IADS etc. Is still working on PAK-DA, still adding more su57's, Su35's, Su-34's.


B52 is a long range standoff strike platform, its not a high-end platform, but it does its role, especially when America's wars are halfway around the world, even long range weapons need a platform that can bring them within striking range.




They invested into drones, missiles, IADS that includes short, medium, long range and ballistic missile defense (as compared to the US basically having near zero SHORAD, because 'muh Air superiority' will 110% prevent anyone from shooting at you...)
Though late but U.S. is also doing it.

Drones: LUCAS, Switchblade,Textron Damocles,Anduril Altius-600 etc.

Missiles: JASSM, tomahawk, dark eagle, PrSM, scramjet projects still on, etc.

U.S. Navy has one of the most capable and complete IADS system in the world.

RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missile is a SHORAD.

Next Generation Short Range Interceptor (NGSRI): The U.S. Army is currently testing this as a direct replacement for the aging Stinger.





The US is looking like clowns because they brought a conventional fighting force to an unconventional theater. They drop bombs and bombs and bombs and somehow all they end up doing is killing schoolgirls.
The United States' inability to fully achieve its desired strategic and geopolitical objectives in this conflict is not the same as saying its armed forces have been ineffective in their operational role.
If the U.S. had shifted its doctrine to emphasize missiles and integrated air defense systems (IADS) over air power, it might have developed stronger defenses, but it would likely have sacrificed significant offensive capability. The sheer number of Iranian targets destroyed in such a short period stands as clear evidence of the effectiveness of the current air-power doctrine. Yet, despite this demonstrated effectiveness, it has still proven insufficient to deliver the broader strategic and geopolitical outcomes that U.S. leadership seeks.
It is difficult to see how a doctrine that prioritizes IADS and ground-launched missiles at the expense of air power would have improved the U.S. position in this specific scenario.
Consider the counterfactual: if Iran possessed a capable air force that could have survived and contested the skies for even a single week, it would have enjoyed far greater freedom to launch its large ballistic missile arsenal. With hostile aircraft not dominating its airspace and actively hunting launchers near tunnel entrances, Iran’s missile campaign could have been significantly more intense and sustained.
That said, air power doctrine by itself is not sufficient — just as Iran’s ballistic missile-focused approach has its own clear limitations. A balanced force structure is necessary.
This is precisely why the United States is now investing more in offensive missiles and drones, while Russia and China are developing advanced bombers and related capabilities.
In this conflict, both sides have demonstrated their respective strengths and limitations. Iran continues to hold out, retaliate, and maintain control over the Strait of Hormuz, but is very heavily degraded — to a level that would likely have caused a more conventional Gulf state like the UAE or Saudi Arabia to collapse many times over.



That one of their carriers almost burned down or that their AWACS and tankers are just parked in the open to get blown to bits is just the cherry on top born out of a weird sense of invincibility (drinking their own kool aid
That's a tactical on ground mistake, a very significant one.

Though not a doctrinal deficiency.















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In a potential Taiwan conflict—where China would be the offensive party—China would likely have a significantly lower threshold for sustaining inflicted damage before deciding to pull back, compared to Iran, which views the fight as an existential crisis.


Setting aside questions of military effectiveness and doctrine for a moment:

Even in the current Middle East tensions, we can observe how much lower the U.S. threshold is for accepting losses and enduring pain compared to Iran. In contrast, Russia has demonstrated a high tolerance for damage in Ukraine, shifting to a full war economy to pursue its objectives.

Based on this pattern, I assess that the United States would have an even lower threshold than China for absorbing damage in a Taiwan conflict. A powerful and effective military is one factor, but the willingness to sustain heavy losses against a capable adversary—in order to impose even greater costs on the enemy and raise the price of their goals—is quite another.


Russia has shown this kind of resolve in Ukraine. The United States, by comparison, has not displayed the same level of willingness in its confrontations involving Iran.

So in the larger scheme of things, with both having very power militaries in their own right, and china reaching more and more Parity with the U.S.,its more of a question of how far either U.S. & China are willing to go to achieve their objectives.
 
Is there any credible source stating that the A-10 was a product of enemy action? It wouldn't be hard for me to believe, nor will I be surprised if that turns out to be the case, but thus far I've only seen that repeated as fact with no actual evidence.

There are a lot of hazards to low, maneuvering aircraft in coastal areas. Some natural and some visual.
 
Is there any credible source stating that the A-10 was a product of enemy action? It wouldn't be hard for me to believe, nor will I be surprised if that turns out to be the case, but thus far I've only seen that repeated as fact with no actual evidence.

There are a lot of hazards to low, maneuvering aircraft in coastal areas. Some natural and some visual.
NBC news has been reporting that the A-10 was hit by Iranian fire, then crashed in Kuwait with pilot safe, per an unnamed "US official".
 
NBC news has been reporting that the A-10 was hit by Iranian fire, then crashed in Kuwait with pilot safe, per an unnamed "US official".

Thank you, that's credible enough for me. Glad the pilot's OK.

Footage of the A-10 being shot


Some photos of the supposed F-16 wreckage.




There was an F-16CJ squawking 7700 as well.


Maybe the angle's weird, but that doesn't look like an A-10 (not questioning the shootdown, just that particular footage)

The "F-16" wreckage doesn't look right either. That engine(?)'s way off and a tiny little crater.

Good reminder that the crux of information warfare isn't to trick or persuade to a particular position, but to degrade the internal consistency of the target's ontology to the point that they become more malleable, less decisive and more easily separated from their belief system.
 
NBC news has been reporting that the A-10 was hit by Iranian fire, then crashed in Kuwait with pilot safe, per an unnamed "US official".
I mean, we had a couple A-10s get hit hard in 1991 and IIRC again in 2003, almost all made it back to an airbase. (I think one did crash in the desert)
 
Yet another summary of air related combat events the other day.
View: https://x.com/vcdgf555/status/2040173568512995579

In addition, Taghvaee says the second F-15 pilot is presumed dead (did not eject) so CSAR is cancelled.
He also says 2 A-10 were lost yesterday, not just one.
Finally, he says more than one CH-47 were destroyed on the ground by FPVDs (2, possibly 3 judging by images?)
View: https://x.com/BabakTaghvaee1/status/2040378598465409227
 
Do we know which one was recovered? the WSO or the pilot? as far as Ik the WSO ejects first and then the pilot but i could be wrong
 
Armed Iranian nomads have joined the search for a downed US fighter pilot, as the race to find him continues.

On Friday, Iran shot down a US F-15 over its airspace, the first time the United States lost an aircraft in Iranian territory during the war.

Two crew members ejected, triggering a race between Iran and the US to find the stranded American airmen. One crew member was rescued, but the pilot remains missing.

Tribesmen and rural populations fired at two US Black Hawk helicopters with hunting rifles on Saturday.

Video clips circulating on Iranian social media showed a group of tribesmen armed with rifles in mountainous terrain, saying: “Don’t worry, we will find them, God willing.”

One crew member was rescued by US forces in a risky operation involving helicopters and low-flying jets.

Iran has offered a bounty to anyone who brings the aviator to them alive, with a captured pilot likely to be a valuable negotiating tool in ending the five-week war.
 
After the first F-15E was shot down over Iran, do we think that the whole “missile truck” concept (using 4+G aircraft for air-superiority after the initial stealth attacks) is flawed?
Iran has no classic anti-aircraft capabilities or air force any more and therefore the perfect test bed for this concept, imo.
Or is it too early to scrap the idea after just one lost aircraft and thousands of sorties?
 
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After the first F-15E was shot down over Iran, do we think that the whole “missile truck” concept (using 4+G aircraft for air-superiority after the initial stealth attacks) is flawed?
Iran has no classic anti-aircraft capabilities or air force any more and therefore the perfect test bed for this concept, imo.
Or is it to early to scrap the idea after just one lost aircraft and thousands of sorties?
too early. 4G aircraft a simply a lot easier to maintain and fly and the USAF still has significant air superiority over iran. one or two losses are normal and frankly low in any war. Its just that people have been expecting USAF to be pulling some alien BS stats and have gotten humbled by reality.
 
Ahh yes, the mighty H-6 of non-existence.
Unlike the B-52, which the USAF intends to keep more or less until these things fall apart, the H-6 will ultimately face retirement once the H-20/H-XX enters service in numbers. Even today it's not survivable and the Chinese know this. Stand off munitions hin oder her.
 
After the first F-15E was shot down over Iran, do we think that the whole “missile truck” concept (using 4+G aircraft for air-superiority after the initial stealth attacks) is flawed?
Iran has no classic anti-aircraft capabilities or air force any more and therefore the perfect test bed for this concept, imo.
Or is it too early to scrap the idea after just one lost aircraft and thousands of sorties?
They shot down one.

One is not a basis for anything.
 
After the first F-15E was shot down over Iran, do we think that the whole “missile truck” concept (using 4+G aircraft for air-superiority after the initial stealth attacks) is flawed?
Iran has no classic anti-aircraft capabilities or air force any more and therefore the perfect test bed for this concept, imo.
Or is it too early to scrap the idea after just one lost aircraft and thousands of sorties?
The bomb truck concept is proving itself quite well including in this war.
While the US has suffered some losses, it seems Israel maintains a more or less similar sortie and strike rate with no known manned aircraft loss, with the majority of aircraft being F-16 and F-15, and has F-15IA (modified EX) on order.

We haven't seen, AFAIK, any Israeli aircraft flying low as USAF/USN ones do, and I've recently read that MAWS isn't exactly standard in the US, while all Israeli aircraft are equipped with MAWS.

IAF: TEL destroyed in Tabriz.
 
It's interesting to have some sortie numbers, Desert Storm of similar length had 110,000 sorties iirc, while only 20,000 are said to be flown to date in this war, so the sortie rate is much lower, though also coming from apparently significantly fewer aircraft.

There is also the issue of HALE and MALE drone shootdowns, many dozens of them to date. In a way one can look at them as sacrificial lambs, taking most of the heat away from manned aircraft, it is true they are slow and much less survivable than a jet, but if one counts them to the SAM/ADS kills, actually the overall kill rate per sortie of the iranian ADS is several times higher than iraqi defences during DS, not even counting cruise missiles/munitions etc. (the iraqis also killed some cruise missiles in 1991).

Plus there is the issues of american/'israeli' aircraft destroyed/damaged on the ground and accidents/fratricide. So yeah, the nature of air combat evolved over the last 3 decades, but only narrowly focusing on the seemingly few manned combat aircraft losses/damage over Iran is missing a bigger picture (and this with the caveat of censored potential 'israeli' losses/damaged).
 
It's interesting to have some sortie numbers, Desert Storm of similar length had 110,000 sorties iirc, while only 20,000 are said to be flown to date in this war, so the sortie rate is much lower, though also coming from apparently significantly fewer aircraft.

There is also the issue of HALE and MALE drone shootdowns, many dozens of them to date. In a way one can look at them as sacrificial lambs, taking most of the heat away from manned aircraft, it is true they are slow and much less survivable than a jet, but if one counts them to the SAM/ADS kills, actually the overall kill rate per sortie of the iranian ADS is several times higher than iraqi defences during DS, not even counting cruise missiles/munitions etc. (the iraqis also killed some cruise missiles in 1991).

Plus there is the issues of american/'israeli' aircraft destroyed/damaged on the ground and accidents/fratricide. So yeah, the nature of air combat evolved over the last 3 decades, but only narrowly focusing on the seemingly few manned combat aircraft losses/damage over Iran is missing a bigger picture (and this with the caveat of censored potential 'israeli' losses/damaged).
But if you count MALE drones then sortie numbers/rate would also skyrocket. Also do you count an MRBM destruction/use as a lost aircraft, because they're probably as expensive as MALE drones? You'd probably have to count every 10 cruise missiles as a lost aircraft too.
 
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