948 名前：避難所の名無し三等兵[sage] 投稿日：2026/03/29(日) 20:15:19 ID:IuGAngzs0 [3/7]
>>878
I need your help.
Okay, I don't know if I can be of any help, but
I'm one of the people who wrote about the relevant JMSDF pocket battleship in the "Deshou" article.
I'm ID:BUatzuyP from the "Deshou" summary article. I'd be in trouble if you asked for proof, though.
Regarding the relevant 30,000-ton class fire support ship proposal, I still look into it occasionally when I have the chance, but
I haven't been able to find any documents that clearly support the claim that it was presented as a draft plan.
(I've checked with the National Diet Library and requested documents, but I haven't found anything with official backing.)
At the very least, even if it did exist, it probably wasn't proposed as a private plan on an official basis, and
I don't think the JMSDF officially considered it either.
The relevant article I could find is:
"Ships of the World" No. 397, September 1988 Page 157 of the issue, Shigeru Makino, "A Comparative Study of Japanese and American Battleships - Final Installment," concluding remarks:
"If the time comes when strengthening defense capabilities becomes necessary,
the design and construction of a superior, modern, large ship of around 30,000 tons incorporating the latest technologies, including electronic equipment,
is technically feasible, even if it takes some years to realize, given the combined efforts of the government and private sector."
That's about the extent of it, and I haven't found anything more than that even now.
Regarding the JMSDF's pocket battleship idea and the proposal for a 30,000-ton class fire support ship:
"Even if it existed, it would probably be less than a personal proposal, more like a joke."
"However, there is a possibility that there was some kind of personal anecdote or little story behind it,
or some kind of consideration (such as research or studies on artillery fire support during coastal operations)." "It cannot be determined."
"But the conclusion would be 'we don't know.'"
To add to that, as a personal hobby, I still look into large destroyer concepts from the 1960s to the 1990s whenever I have the chance.
However, the proposal for a 30,000-ton class fire support ship was merely a suggestion, presented as "something like this could also be considered," and it seems now like a joke or tall tale that has been embellished.
It was a story that I heard around the time I first became a ship enthusiast, and it left a lasting impression on me.
It's hard to find the right words, but it's been bothering me ever since, and I've been investigating it.
(The original story was just a casual conversation, and when I posted it, I only wrote it as a joke.
Even now, I occasionally look for supporting documents, but I myself am not a researcher.) I'm not an expert, so I'm not sure how to answer this, haha.
However, speaking of the time, these kinds of large destroyers were discussed in relation to topics from the 1960s-1980s:
- A 10,000-ton class large destroyer equipped with Tartar or Standard SAM (one of the draft and study plans for the cancelled 8,700-ton class DLH)
- An interceptor-carrying destroyer (another name for the plan that led to the DDV, a full-length flight deck destroyer considered by the National Institute for Defense Studies in 1986)
These two points are now almost certainly considered to have existed as official study plans by the JMSDF, so
I still can't really say anything definitive...
It's been over 10 years since this topic came up, so it's a bit of a mystery, haha.
If you find out anything about these kinds of large destroyers, please let me know.
