Lifting off from the Moon and Mars should be reletively straight forward I would think Sferrin as both worlds have less gravity than Earth so it should not be a problem.
I think the challenge is doing it with zero ground infrastructure (such as lander stages that are left behind as launch pads, like the LM octagon). Even DC-X(A) used a concrete pad rather than an unprepared dusty, rocky dirt patch, which could cause blowback issues from engine exhausts.
 
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I think the challenge is doing it with zero ground infrastructure (such as lander stages that are left behind as launch pads, like the LM octagon). Even DC-X(A) used a concrete pad rather than an unprepared dusty, rocky dirt patch, which could cause blowback issues from engine exhausts.
I hope someone takes a further look at using ideas like FAST for initial lunar landings: https://masten.aero/blog/mitigating-lunar-dust-masten-completes-fast-landing-pad-study/
 
The ground comes to mind.
With the Moon, having a ring of engines high up will do.

Mars might be different.

A human landing is something to work up to. Instead of a full Starship, maybe a biconic deal to land rover-bots controlled via orbital telepresence.

Perhaps some grating over one of Mars vertical cave-holes.

Maybe Hercules?
 
the Dispute between Sean Duffy and Elon Musk escalated
the sectary of transport has publicly critiqued Musk action and business methods.

Sean Duffy opposed the nomination Jared Isaacman as Administrator of NASA
(do Isaacman connection to Elon Musk)
and Put himself as acting Administrator of NASA.

Now Duffy shutdown the SpaceX HLS contract and reopen for completion proposal.
is total bonkers move and will delay US moon landing further,
Since Competitors proposal have put in consideration in Artemis plans,
And needed hardware development with increased cost for new Landers.
Here is Blue Origin lander in advance
(what could let Competitor to sue NASA to delay BO Lander until there Hardware is ready)

more here
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhOhIW1AEU4


In mean time the dispute between Musk and Duffy on X escalate
 
the Dispute between Sean Duffy and Elon Musk escalated
the sectary of transport has publicly critiqued Musk action and business methods.

Sean Duffy opposed the nomination Jared Isaacman as Administrator of NASA
(do Isaacman connection to Elon Musk)
and Put himself as acting Administrator of NASA.

Now Duffy shutdown the SpaceX HLS contract and reopen for completion proposal.
is total bonkers move and will delay US moon landing further,
Since Competitors proposal have put in consideration in Artemis plans,
And needed hardware development with increased cost for new Landers.
Here is Blue Origin lander in advance
(what could let Competitor to sue NASA to delay BO Lander until there Hardware is ready)

more here
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhOhIW1AEU4


In mean time the dispute between Musk and Duffy on X escalate
Just when you start to relax something retarded like this happens. Yeah, lets combine NASA with the Dept of Transportation. China must be pissing themselves laughing.
 
Just when you start to relax something retarded like this happens. Yeah, lets combine NASA with the Dept of Transportation. China must be pissing themselves laughing.

Why would they find that noteworthy?

"China's national space agency, the China National Space Administration (CNSA), is an administrative agency under the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology."
"The human spaceflight program operates under the Central Military Commission."

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Just when you start to relax something retarded like this happens. Yeah, lets combine NASA with the Dept of Transportation. China must be pissing themselves laughing.
Tongue somewhat in cheek, this could lead to a For All Mankind type scenario: China wins at first, energising the US to surpass it. Between Duffy's fecklessness and Musk's puerility, the first part is almost guaranteed. Not sure about the rest.
 
I heard in Social media that
Sean Duffy proposed the Incorporation of NASA into United States Department of Transportation.

Is this true ?
 
China wins at first, energising the US to surpass it. Between Duffy's fecklessness and Musk's puerility, the first part is almost guaranteed.
I'm curious how SpaceX is contributing to the US being 3rd place to the Moon. (We're already 1st place. The contest is between 2nd and 3rd.) What could SpaceX be doing that they aren't already doing?
 
If you ever wondered what happened to that business about Tom Cruise making a film in space.

Deadline: Doug Liman Talks XR Thriller ‘Asteroid’ & Tom Cruise Space Project: “I Know I Want To Do More In Space” [Sep 1]

Liman added that shooting a film in outer space remained on his bucket list but that nothing was scheduled as yet, with both he and Cruise tied up in other projects.

“I’m more excited about going to space, not less … but our goal is too make something great. A lot of people are trying to do gimmicky things like, ‘Oh, it’s in space.’ I’m not interested in doing something that’s a just promotional gimmick. I want to make a film that people watch in a hundred years when maybe there’s hundreds of movies shot in outer space and there’s nothing special about it being in outer space. That’s the goal of everything I do. With Swingers, it’s very meaningful to me that lots of people who watch it weren’t even born when it premiered here.”

“If I ever shoot a movie in outer space, the question will be what could I do that you couldn’t do on Earth that makes for a great piece of entertainment, that’s better than if you didn’t do it it space. Again, its also about technology and storytelling… you can run a line from Swingers all the way through to this potential film in outer space.”
 
I'm curious how SpaceX is contributing to the US being 3rd place to the Moon. (We're already 1st place. The contest is between 2nd and 3rd.) What could SpaceX be doing that they aren't already doing?
To be fair, the race currently is for sustainable operations.
Not like the first one wasn't (it's more the way it turned out), but still - shall China get the base first, and shall it be far enough ahead, Apollo in strategic hindsight may turn into proud history page Vinland saga.
 
To be fair, the race currently is for sustainable operations.
Not like the first one wasn't (it's more the way it turned out), but still - shall China get the base first, and shall it be far enough ahead, Apollo in strategic hindsight may turn into proud history page Vinland saga.
And how is SpaceX slowing us down? What should they be doing faster that they're not already doing (at a breakneck pace compared to others)?
 
And how is SpaceX slowing us down? What should they be doing faster that they're not already doing (at a breakneck pace compared to others)?
I'm saying the opposite. SpaceX is at this point the only unchallenged bright spot in entire Sinoamerican tech race which China just can't counter.

Fall this tree for political infighting - and what will remain?
Yes, there are other american launch startups, megaconstellation companies and so one. Launch ones aren't all that far away from Chinese startup phalanx; constellation ones are already way behind.
 
I'm curious how SpaceX is contributing to the US being 3rd place to the Moon. (We're already 1st place. The contest is between 2nd and 3rd.) What could SpaceX be doing that they aren't already doing?
SpaceX yes, but I was thinking of Musk's consistent tendency to bite the hand that feeds him. Eventually the hand might be withdrawn - that would be stupid, but...
 
SpaceX yes, but I was thinking of Musk's consistent tendency to bite the hand that feeds him. Eventually the hand might be withdrawn - that would be stupid, but...
Might the government have done anything to warrant such a response, or is Musk the only entity with freedom of choice, and thus responsibility?

As it happens, despite snark and hurt feelings, SpaceX is less dependent on the government for money than ever; Starlink is making them independent of government whims, and that is to the benefit of the United States. The government is not the country, and we should all discourage weaponizing the power of the state against irritable people just because we don't like them.
 
Might the government have done anything to warrant such a response, or is Musk the only entity with freedom of choice, and thus responsibility?

As it happens, despite snark and hurt feelings, SpaceX is less dependent on the government for money than ever; Starlink is making them independent of government whims, and that is to the benefit of the United States. The government is not the country, and we should all discourage weaponizing the power of the state against irritable people just because we don't like them.
Dependence on government money is not the issue, but compliance with government laws, rules, and regulations is. No shortcuts for rich guys.
 
Dependence on government money is not the issue, but compliance with government laws, rules, and regulations is. No shortcuts for rich guys.
Even when those were being abused to target Musk? I’m not in favor of imitating Lavrentiy Beria. For the historically ignorant among us, he’s infamous for saying something like, “Give me the man and I will give you the case against him.” If the rule of law matters, that means it also applies to the rich, no matter how little we like them.

As this is getting much too political I’ll bow out here (at least on politics), but for those who disagree with me, think about the precedents that you want to set when it comes to the power of the state, and how that can be used against you.
 
Even when those were being abused to target Musk? I’m not in favor of imitating Lavrentiy Beria. For the historically ignorant among us, he’s infamous for saying something like, “Give me the man and I will give you the case against him.” If the rule of law matters, that means it also applies to the rich, no matter how little we like them.

As this is getting much too political I’ll bow out here (at least on politics), but for those who disagree with me, think about the precedents that you want to set when it comes to the power of the state, and how that can be used against you.
"Abuse" is in the (political/ideological) eye of the beholder. With great power comes great responsibility, but everyone is (ideally) equal under the law.
 
Historical overview of STS vs Falcon 9
what Shuttle promise, for fill the Falcon 9 at even lower launch cost...
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