Buscaylet projects not involving Louis de Monge

[vigair]

french sport airplane 1922. anzani 35 ch. does anyone have infos or pics ?

 

[hesham]

My dear Vigair,


here is the Louis Goubert canard aircraft,I removed it from anther topic,to put it
here,flugsport 1922;


http://www.luftfahrt-bibliothek.de/zeitschrift-flugsport-oskar-ursinus-luftsport-luftfahrt-luftverkehr/luftsport-luftfahrt-luftverkehr-flugsport-1922/zeitschrift-flugsport-1922-luftsport-luftverkehr-luftfahrt.htm

 

[cluttonfred]

Here's something relevant, I think. Interesting that in highlights the novelty of the enclosed cabin but not the canard planform, perhaps hesham's illustration is just one of several configurations considered?

A Really Small Aeroplane

THE " scooter of the air " seems to be about to become an accomplished fact. A young French designer, M. Louis Goubert, has just completed the designs for a very small machine, which is to be driven by an engine of 10 h.p. only. The machine is to be a tractor, with the pilot entirely enclosed in the fuselage, which will be provided with windows. The wing loading is to be 10 kilograms per square metre (about 2 lbs. /sq. ft.) and the maximum speed is estimated at 50 m.p.h., with a landing speed of about 20 m.p.h. A model of the machine is, it is stated, to be tested by M. Eiffel before the actual machine is built.

Source: FLIGHT, February 17, 1921 p.120

Also, could a moderator please capitalize M. Goubert's name in the thread title?

 

[hesham]

Hi,

here is a canard seaplane which designed by Charles Nungesser.

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b9023255f.r=hydravion.langEN

 

[hesham]

From TU 279,

unknown Project for Buscaylet/de Monge ?.

 

[Deltafan]

The author of the article says only that he doesn't know if this aircraft was finished.

 

[hesham]

Yes my dear Deltafan,it was a Project.

 

[hesham]

Although we have a topic for the list of Buscaylet & de Monge,but
I can't ID this one ?,

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/louis-de-monge-aircraft-list.32655/#post-660478
L'Air 1921/9

 

[Stargazer]

I can't ID this one ?

Buscaylet-Richard Type 6/1 amphibian of 1921. Fifteen passengers. Three 500 hp engines. Mixed construction.

 

[hesham]

From L'Air 1922.

 

[Stargazer]

Gombert was merely an engineer working for Buscaylet. The article makes it clear that it was a Buscaylet project:

(...) we visited Etablissements Buscaylet, and being welcomed there by Mr. Buscaylet himself and Louis Goubert, we were shown all the fully-drafted plans for said airplane, which will then move on from the design office to the workshops.

 

[Stargazer]

I have renamed this topic to include all Buscaylet projects that did not involve Louis de Monge.
In doing so, and after looking at several period publications, I decided to include here the 1921 flying boat project known as Type 6/1.
Indeed, they make it clear that this was a Buscaylet-Richard, not Buscaylet-de Monge project.

Which implies of course that the designations 1/1, 1/2, 5/1, 5/2, 7/1 to 7/9, 8/1, 9/1 and 10/1, all associated with Buscaylet-de Monge projects, were actually Buscaylet, not de Monge, designations. The missing Types 2, 3 and 4 therefore likely include the 1921 transport and the Goubert-designed sportsplane.

From L'Auto, Aug. 10, 1921, and Les Ailes, Nov. 10, 1921:

 

[fortrena]

If I may, the author of the article in the January 20, 1922 of the French magazine L'Air mentioned above stated that Goubert began to work on low-power aircraft several, if not many years before Buscaylet hired him as chief engineer. His new position gave him the chance to supervise the construction of a prototype.

One such prototype, a seaplane, was completed no later then May 1923 and might have been tested some time later, by a famous French aviator and war hero, Charles Nungesser. If such trials took place, they seemingly led nowhere.

The brief article in the May 9, 1923 of the daily L'Auto did not mention Buscaylet's name. A brief article in the April 5, 1923 issue of the weekly Les Ailes, however, stated that the new aircraft was built under the supervision of Nungesser.

Neither text clearly stated that the 1923 seaplane was the first or second aircraft built according to Goubert's ideas. That said, it may well have been the first (and only??) one.

 

[hesham]

If I may, the author of the article in the January 20, 1922 of the French magazine L'Air mentioned above stated that Goubert began to work on low-power aircraft several, if not many years before Buscaylet hired him as chief engineer. His new position gave him the chance to supervise the construction of a prototype.

I agreed,specially in a list of his aircraft,there's no sign to it.

 

[Stargazer]

One such prototype, a seaplane, was completed no later then May 1923 and might have been tested some time later, by a famous French aviator and war hero, Charles Nungesser. If such trials took place, they seemingly led nowhere.

The brief article in the May 9, 1923 of the daily L'Auto did not mention Buscaylet's name. A brief article in the April 5, 1923 issue of the weekly Les Ailes, however, stated that the new aircraft was built under the supervision of Nungesser.

Neither text clearly stated that the 1923 seaplane was the first or second aircraft built according to Goubert's ideas. That said, it may well have been the first (and only??) one.

"Nungesser's canard" is a fairly well-known prototype. We have a few photos of it, but none in flight, which strongly suggests that it was either never flown, or ended catastrophically!

Although it does have a few design commonalities, it is bigger than Goubert's project and can't be the same machine.




Kind of the "missing link" between both designs was Nungesser's very interesting "Amphibie Universel", which was probably never built.

 

[Stargazer]

I have completely redrawn the three-view plan of the Buscaylet-Richard Type B. R. amphibian project.
The main challenge was to have all three views in the same scale (which was not the case in L'Air).
Another difficulty was to decipher the correct hand-written measures, some of which could not be read on the scan (it took some measuring and comparing to finally get it right—hopefully).
There was also a mistake in the left wing's leading edge, which I corrected.
I'll readily admit there are a couple of details I'm not 100% certain of, such as the pilot's cockpit (there seem to be two tandem cockpits on the side view, while the front and top view show side-by-side seating). The bottom of the hull also seems strange in the middle part, probably related to the amphibian mechanism, which is not readily apparent in this plan but existed.
I used an old page texture to give a vintage touch to it; however, I changed the "mq" to "m²" (square meters) as it is no longer used and could be difficult to understand; I also did away with the points (.) in four- or five-figure numbers, since they are not compulsory in French and could be misleading (the use of the point and the comma are inverted between French and English).

 

[hesham]

Although we have a topic for the list of Buscaylet & de Monge,but
I can't ID this one ?,

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/louis-de-monge-aircraft-list.32655/#post-660478
L'Air 1921/9

I am sure that is not Buscaylet 6.1,but may it was the unknown
Type 4.1 ?,because the Type 6.1 had a twin main floats in its
artist drawing,but I can't display it here.