Chinese ship ramming on the SCS

The point is:

- PCG (Philippines) protects Philippine fishing boats off the coast of Bajo de Masinloc

- The CCG ship (China) chased the PCG ship, and did a dangerous maneuver to crash the PCG ship.

- The PLAN ship that came along crashed into the CCG ship until it was crushed.
 
"PCG Implements Kadiwa Operation in Bajo de Masinloc and Offers Assistance to CCG Following Maritime IncidentIn response to the presence of around 35 Filipino fishing vessels in Bajo de Masinloc, the Philippine Coast Guard (PCG) deployed the BRP Teresa Magbanua and BRP Suluan, along with MV Pamamalakaya, early this morning to carry out the “Kadiwa Para sa Bagong Bayaning Mangingisda (KBBM)” initiative.During the operation, Philippine vessels and fishermen encountered hazardous maneuvers and blocking actions from other vessels in the vicinity. In particular, the MRRV 4406 was targeted with a water cannon, but the seamanship skills by PCG crew members allowed the vessel to successfully evade from getting hit.In a related incident, a collision took place between China Coast Guard (CCG) vessel 3104 and People's Liberation Army Navy (PLA Navy) ship 164, approximately 10.5 nautical miles east of Bajo de Masinloc. The CCG 3104, which was chasing the BRP Suluan at high speed, performed a risky maneuver from the PCG vessel's starboard quarter, leading to the impact with the PLA Navy warship. This resulted in substantial damage to the CCG vessel's forecastle, rendering it unseaworthy.Following the collision, the PCG immediately offered support, including assistance with man-overboard recovery and medical aid for any injured CCG crew members. Meanwhile, the MRRV 9701 safely escorted the Filipino fishermen to a secure location, where they are now being provided with essential fuel and supplies.The Philippine Coast Guard reaffirms its dedication to safeguarding all maritime operations in the area and wishes for the swift recovery and proper treatment of any affected CCG personnel."
 
 
Call me daft if you like but, it looks as though the prc coast guard ship was prevented from ramming the Phillipines coast guard ship deliberately.

In other words the PRC navy ship saved the Phillipines coast guard ship.

internecine conflict?

Boy is that skipper/watch officer for the hop.
 
History has shown on too many occasions that when a power begins to threaten its neighbors, it begins a path of no return. He can no longer stop doing it without showing weakness and that consumes a lot of time and a lot of resources. Fear does not generate respect and takes advantage of any future weakness to free itself from the threat by asking for or demanding all kinds of compensation for the harm caused. An aggressor cannot afford a loss of prestige, or a weakness, or a defeat, because the creditors and the interest arrears of the debt will eat him up, if the tiger that rides does not do it first. It seems incredible to me that on the anniversary of Hiroshima there are still voracious dictators in the world who believe they are invulnerable, they will never learn.
 
Foo Fighter said:
Call me daft if you like but, it looks as though the prc coast guard ship was prevented from ramming the Phillipines coast guard ship deliberately.

In other words the PRC navy ship saved the Phillipines coast guard ship.

internecine conflict?

Boy is that skipper/watch officer for the hop.
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I'm pretty sure the cutter was aiming to overtake the Philippine ship so that they could rake it with the firehose they have running over the port side.

Not quite sure what the destroyer was trying to do. Possibly to pass ahead and force the PN vessel to slow down and facilitate the overtake by the cutter?
 
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Looking at the various videos, the PCG vessel 4406 is initially holding it course. 3104 to port, 164 is out of view but seems to have been to starboard. This fits PRC tactics of using two larger ships to "box out" a smaller one by closing in from the sides. The PCG 4406 skipper starts a starboard turn which gets sharper as it goes on. But 3104 comes up fast and tries to come up on their port side again. 164 makes no attempt to give way, despite PCG 4406 being in Starboard and 3104 following the maneuver too closely, which puts her on a collision course with both vessels. The PCG 4406 then cuts to port to avoid getting boxed again and this movement makes 164 look like it's turning hard. In reality, I think 164 was mostly plowing ahead, either fixated on the Philippine ship or expecting 3104 to do the hard work of turning away. But 3104 is certainly fixated and running at too high a speed to do much about it anyway.

This was a smart skipper and crew on PCG 4406 utterly pantsing the two Chinese ships, and they blundered right into each other in their failed attempt to keep up.

SspewixzzZ said:
Hope no one was injured.:( This might push the PLAN to accelerate building some specialized coast guard vessels — though the timing's unfortunate, coming just half a month before Victory Day parades.:confused:
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There's a few crew in the bow of the cutter, including at least one guy leaning over the rail holding a bumper, seconds before the collision. If he's alive, he needs a new pair of pants.
 
Foo Fighter said:
Call me daft if you like but, it looks as though the prc coast guard ship was prevented from ramming the Phillipines coast guard ship deliberately.

In other words the PRC navy ship saved the Phillipines coast guard ship.

internecine conflict?
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TomS said:
I'm pretty sure the cutter was aiming to overtake the Philippine ship so that they could take it with the firehouse they have running over the port side.

Not quite sure what the destroyer was trying to do. Possibly to pass ahead and force the PN vessel to slow down and facilitate the overtake by the cutter?
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One does wonder.

Thing brings to mind a different circumstance my USN Dad brought about during the Cold War in either the Atlantic or Mediterranean,
their DD, either a Sumner or Gearing class FRAM, had been sent out by the carrier formation to recon something, while they were gone a Soviet ship which had been harrassing the formation took Dad's ship's place in the formation and would not leave.

Upon the return of Dad's ship, things got to the point where Dad ordered flank speed, "Steer at their bridge", yes, you read that right and I said that right, "Steer AT their bridge".

Thing is, with being the expert ship handler he got awards for being, he knew the laws of physics and relative vectors meant there would be no collision, his ship would simply fall in right astern of the bothersome Soviet ship.
But,
the psychological effect of a WW2 leftovers DD with its huge flank speed bow wave, belching oil fired smoke, and its shallow screws throwing up a froth halfway to being a rooster tail, coming right AT the Soviet's bridge, was enough to get the Soviets to skedaddle, they had had their fill of crazy capitalist Yankees for the day.
Job well done.
 
Foo Fighter said:
Call me daft if you like but, it looks as though the prc coast guard ship was prevented from ramming the Phillipines coast guard ship deliberately.
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I think the captain of the Philippines' vessel may have baited them in by tooling around at low speed...that and/or they got lucky.

It looks to me as if the smaller vessel was trying to chase the Philippines' craft into the path of the larger ship--to cut it in half.

They missed.

I am convinced the destroyer was trying to ram the Philippines's ship that put on a burst of speed, baiting the coast guard ship..which now has to be renamed "Stockholm."

Next time, on Starfleet Academy.
 
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southwestforests said:
One does wonder.

Thing brings to mind a different circumstance my USN Dad brought about during the Cold War in either the Atlantic or Mediterranean,
their DD, either a Sumner or Gearing class FRAM, had been sent out by the carrier formation to recon something, while they were gone a Soviet ship which had been harrassing the formation took Dad's ship's place in the formation and would not leave.

Upon the return of Dad's ship, things got to the point where Dad ordered flank speed, "Steer at their bridge", yes, you read that right and I said that right, "Steer AT their bridge".

Thing is, with being the expert ship handler he got awards for being, he knew the laws of physics and relative vectors meant there would be no collision, his ship would simply fall in right astern of the bothersome Soviet ship.
But,
the psychological effect of a WW2 leftovers DD with its huge flank speed bow wave, belching oil fired smoke, and its shallow screws throwing up a froth halfway to being a rooster tail, coming right AT the Soviet's bridge, was enough to get the Soviets to skedaddle, they had had their fill of crazy capitalist Yankees for the day.
Job well done.
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I do love stories of Cold War bumper boats.
 
"Hey nitwit! Where are the tools?"
What tools?

There was a photo of Moe ducking and Larry hitting Curly by mistake in "Pop Goes The Easel."

That's what happened here.
 
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Dilandu said:
After all those accidental collisions involving USN warships Chinese finally decided to try it themselves and see, why exactly Americans love to do it so much?)
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Because they've seen a lot of movies about the mob: "that guy is very sick but doesn't know it, make it look like an accident."
 
It's noticeable both Chinese vessels were rigging fenders, they clearly intended getting close enough to the Filipino vessel that contact was either a potential, or intended*. (Mind you, PLAN Guilin's deck-level is so much higher than BRP Suluan's I'm not sure they'd have had much effect)

And while everyone's focused on the collision with CCG-3104's bow, just how close PLAN Guilin's bow got to BRP Suluan's stern is terrifying. It's probably foreshortened slightly, but 2 seconds faster and she takes the stern off Suluan, two seconds slower and she hits CCG-3104 amidships and potentially drives her under (Type Type 52D at 7500t vs Type 56 at 1300t - the Suluan is only 321t).

This clip is good for both the collision and demonstrating how handy the Suluan is, she's back around Guilin's bow in little over 20 seconds of her passing astern.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=797607829288931
View: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=797607829288931


* Should have talked to the Icelandic Coast Guard, they could do this stuff in the middle of a North Atlantic gale.
 

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