Diamond-shaped Calvine "UFO", alleged US Navy/USAF black project

TsrJoe said:
FAKE ... theres not even any smoke with regard this one... I refer my learned colleagues to a previous post on the topic with appended note of the relevant file at Kew ! (#14)

Synopsis of the 'official' investigation ... hoax
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Huh? The file referenced in post #14 of this thread says the MoD basically did not know what it was, they thought the aircraft in the photos were Harriers, but had no records of Harriers in that area at that time. There was nothing about wether the photos were fake or not, etc.
 
@Justo Miranda You misunderstand. Nothing of the prehistoric hoax, all about <edit1> the contagious condition of </edit1> unprompted, correct aircraft identification.
<edit2> I should probably have added this was in reply to #83 with its wiki-link to Piltdown Man, which was justo's first reply to my comment on what @CJGibson said about his wife saying 'That's a Hunter' - this is all getting very meta and I should stop </edit2>
 
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Okay, remember seeing this thread early on but just now reading thru the complete thread. If I read correctly, the image(s) is a print, not a digital photograph. If so, there was a negative and if so, where is it? Just curious....

Enjoy the Day! Mark
 
Mark Nankivil said:
Okay, remember seeing this thread early on but just now reading thru the complete thread. If I read correctly, the image(s) is a print, not a digital photograph. If so, there was a negative and if so, where is it? Just curious....

Enjoy the Day! Mark
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My understanding is that the physical 'image' in question was produced in the photo lab/department of the Daily Record (a Scottish newspaper) from negatives of which they were provided with from the alleged photographer.
The paper wished to have an opinion from the MoD on quite what the images purported to convey, and so the paper contacted the most local RAF press office (Pitreavie Castle in Dunfermline) and asked 'what do you think about these images we've been given?' and they said 'about what?'- send me a picture'. The paper then ran off a copy on an enlarger in-house (allegedly slightly out of focus) of the 'best of' a series of six negatives and sent it via mail to the RAF press office.
The press officer then, after looking at the supplied print, took some photocopies and faxed them to the MoD, asking what they should do. The MoD requested that the paper send the negatives to them, which the paper apprently did. The archival records suggest the negatives were returned to the paper, after their investigations, but they were apparently never seen again publicly.
The image has only come to light recently as no instruction was given to the press officer as to it's retention or otherwise (as copies had been faxed, then original negatives obatined) so those documents (image along with the original photocopies he'd generated in order to fax & the courier envelope) lingered in his office. The press officer took them home on his retirement some years later.
It appears that the physical image matches not only (unsurprisingly) the retained photocopies but also the low quality images (copies of the faxed photocopy) which are part of the documents available in the national archives now (in other words it's been a long con!).
 
Dew said:
My understanding is that the physical 'image' in question was produced in the photo lab/department of the Daily Record (a Scottish newspaper) from negatives of which they were provided with from the alleged photographer.
The paper wished to have an opinion from the MoD on quite what the images purported to convey, and so the paper contacted the most local RAF press office (Pitreavie Castle in Dunfermline) and asked 'what do you think about these images we've been given?' and they said 'about what?'- send me a picture'. The paper then ran off a copy on an enlarger in-house (allegedly slightly out of focus) of the 'best of' a series of six negatives and sent it via mail to the RAF press office.
The press officer then, after looking at the supplied print, took some photocopies and faxed them to the MoD, asking what they should do. The MoD requested that the paper send the negatives to them, which the paper apprently did. The archival records suggest the negatives were returned to the paper, after their investigations, but they were apparently never seen again publicly.
The image has only come to light recently as no instruction was given to the press officer as to it's retention or otherwise (as copies had been faxed, then original negatives obatined) so those documents (image along with the original photocopies he'd generated in order to fax & the courier envelope) lingered in his office. The press officer took them home on his retirement some years later.
It appears that the physical image matches not only (unsurprisingly) the retained photocopies but also the low quality images (copies of the faxed photocopy) which are part of the documents available in the national archives now (in other words it's been a long con!).
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Interesting - thanks. A copy of a copy of a copy, ad nauseam....
 
Justo Miranda said:
Error of interpretation, I was not talking about the plane but about the rhombus that in my opinion looks like a kite.
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A kite the size of a big airplane ? the picture don't seem fake , it was in the hands of the MOD I don't thinl they lose their time keeping fake pictures.
 
dark sidius said:
A kite the size of a big airplane ? the picture don't seem fake , it was in the hands of the MOD I don't thinl they lose their time keeping fake pictures.
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Having worked with a lot of former British forces personnel over the last 40 years, I know that their capacity for a wind-up knows no bounds.

Chris
 
CJGibson said:
Having worked with a lot of former British forces personnel over the last 40 years, I know that their capacity for a wind-up knows no bounds.

Chris
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How dare you sir!

In my day this would not of been allowed!

New members of a Squadron were never sent to stores for items such as "dehydrated water" "left handed screwdrivers" "long stands" "camouflage paint" HM forces are hard working servants of the realm and would never of sent a poor new airman who had broken his locker key to the "Lox bay"!!!!

Although todays forces are probably very by the book.
 
bob225 said:
How dare you sir!

In my day this would not of been allowed!

New members of a Squadron were never sent to stores for items such as "dehydrated water" "left handed screwdrivers" "long stands" "camouflage paint" HM forces are hard working servants of the realm and would never of sent a poor new airman who had broken his locker key to the "Lox bay"!!!!

Although todays forces are probably very by the book.
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They'll need a verbal consent form to do anything.
 
dark sidius said:
A kite the size of a big airplane ? the picture don't seem fake , it was in the hands of the MOD I don't thinl they lose their time keeping fake pictures.
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A three-foot kite photographed at ten yards range and a somewhat out of focus plane flying at 800-1200 yards. British ministries no one hides anything?... There are people in prison for saying what everyone thinks.
 
The funny thing about this photo was how former MOD official Nick Pope couldn’t believe this photo got out because it was such a bombshell of something other worldly. When in reality, like basically all things UFO, it was easily explained away and certainly no smoking gun of anything ET or top secret.
 
Laying everything aside, be interesting to see what mil a/c movements were in that area that day. any low flying by say one of either RAF Wittering Harrier force from 1(F) Squadron or 240 OCU…

Or said a/c could be Hawker Hunter..as likes of then RAE used HUnters for chase a/c or research…

Cheers
 
Except with this one I'd heard some reports that the US defense establishments were miffed this photo was released at all. Why if it was a fake? Maybe it actually resembled something they didn't want people to see or know about. There was a book I was reading by Paul LaViolette PhD that discussed some craft were being tested with what was described as utilizing "phase conjugate microwave propulsion" something that DARPA was looking into but who knows?
 
Very cool looking. I like the airship interpretation. I must differ from the "kite in the foreground."
 
quellish said:
Oh, the guy that claims the B-2 is supersonic and has an “electrogravitic “propulsion system?
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Well, I'll take the soup and it's really an electro-asthmatic reclusion system, the PhD has it all wrong.
 
RavenOne said:
Laying everything aside, be interesting to see what mil a/c movements were in that area that day. any low flying by say one of either RAF Wittering Harrier force from 1(F) Squadron or 240 OCU…

Or said a/c could be Hawker Hunter..as likes of then RAE used HUnters for chase a/c or research…

Cheers
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A couple of months back I spent a day with Dr Dave Clark at Sheffield Hallam Uni and Calvine came up. He had a UFO exhibition on in one of the exhibition rooms and had a 'Father Dougal' 10x8 of the Calvine photo..

When you see that Calvine photo blown up, the spine on the aircraft is visible, something a Harrier doesn't have, but a Hunter does.

Apparently when asked if it was a Harrier, the MOD agreed. Smacks of a Mandy Rice-Davies.

As for the other thing, I have no idea.

Chris
 
Hydroman said:
Well, I'll take the soup and it's really an electro-asthmatic reclusion system, the PhD has it all wrong.
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Well if you ignore the obvious indications for inverted variable split-phase impedance, sure, but that’s pretty simplistic, don’t you think?
 
GeorgeA said:
Well if you ignore the obvious indications for inverted variable split-phase impedance, sure, but that’s pretty simplistic, don’t you think?
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What you explained could also be a loudspeaker. I have to say, watts going on here!
 

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