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Interesting Paul Czysz Interview

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Dr. Paul Czysz is a Professor of Aeronautical Engineering at Parks College in St. Louis. He spent 8 years in the Air Force at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, and another 30 years working for McDonnell-Douglas in the field of exotic technologies. While at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, he was involved in tracking UFOs over Missouri, Ohio, and Michigan. These UFOs were seen my many people: military, local police, and civilians, and were clocked at speeds around 20,000 MPH as they performed unusual, silent maneuvers. Dr. Czysz spent more than half his career at McDonnell-Douglas working on classified and compartmentalized projects, and testifies to the processes involved in maintaining secrecy on these projects. He warns against the human tendency to make every new technology into a weapon, pointing out that our weaponization of space does not address the threat of Earth terrorists, and the idea of using these weapons against extraterrestrial targets would be suicidal.

PC: Prof. Paul Czysz I: Interviewer
PC: I’m a graduate of Parks College. I started in the Air Force at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base and was in the Air Force for two years, [plus] stayed an additional six years working in research. Then I returned to McDonnell-Douglas and stayed there for thirty years. I finally ended up at Parks College again as an endowed Chair.

At McDonnell-Douglas, we did lot of high-speed work — hypersonics. We worked on things that flew from Mach 4 to Mach 12, and had some airplanes that flew Mach 12 all the way around the world. We almost built it.

One of the more interesting nights I had at Wright-Patterson was when I was the assistant to the head officer-of-the-day over at Patterson Field. We had 151 phone calls come in regarding unidentified objects flying down U.S. 40 — then turning at Columbus and going up to Detroit. These [calls] were [from] state policemen, some doctors that worked late at night, all kinds of people that reported seeing this. We had radar tracks on them and had airliners call in that they had seen them. It was very, very interesting. These guys gave very clear descriptions of what they saw.

You know, probably more than half of my career was in projects that were classified or compartmentalized.

I: Can you describe how that process works?

PC: Generally, depending on the level of the compartmentalization and the secrecy level, you have to go through a fairly significant background check. It takes between six months to a year to get the background checks. Then, when you do that, if you’re in a very tight compartment, you sign a statement that you will not divulge the existence of the project or even answer a question that could acknowledge the existence of the project. It’s not even on a need-to-know basis; it’s on the basis of people being identified specifically to know what you’re working on and [who are] directly associated with the project, so it’s very closely-contained material.

If you have a covert project, the funding would come through a number of government sources, none of which would be identified to the workers. Whatever high-level people were involved in it — even they might not know where the funding came from. It’s just that you sign a contract with the U.S. government, and the funding would show up at the right place at the right time.
If there were non-Earthbound sources of the information, the people who were doing the design work or doing the analysis work would never have any idea of where it [the materiel] came from. All you would have to do is visit Russia to see how they did it. They would compartmentalize every project into what I used to call silos, and they would have a colonel or a general sitting on top of that, and literally, they could not talk to anyone outside of that silo. If someone else needed help, one person would be sent over to another place, sit down at a desk, look at a piece of paper, say, “Yes, I know what that problem is; here’s the answer to it,” and walk away. He would not even know what it was that he was working on.

The giant triangles that appear over Palmdale move very slowly — they’re very large and very slow-moving. That’s different, I think, [from] the ones that appear all over Belgium and that are very fast-moving.

You can’t explain that in conventional physics. By conventional physics, I mean engines and jet engines and rocket motors and propulsion systems as we know them today. You put fuel in, you burn something, and it produces thrust and accelerates an object. In conventional physics, you cannot explain how human beings could live long enough to go much beyond the edge of our little solar system.

So, in conventional terms, no, you can’t explain it. It has to be related to quantum physics, in which things can appear to be almost two places at the same time, and appear and reappear just like positrons and electrons do in some of the high-energy particle colliders. It’s a coupling of the device with the energy that permeates space. Probably Tesla was close to it when he said that if given the right energy system, the right electromagnetic spectrum, he could power a human base on Mars from Earth, without any loss of energy. In quantum physics and zero-point energy, that’s a possibility.

Sakharov and others were working on this and made very convincing arguments that the fabric of space is like an ocean, an energy ocean, in which solid energy is floating, and solid energy is the mass. If that’s true, then gravity waves exist, and in fact, everything goes back to Heavyside’s [phonetic spelling] equations. Here, the quantum is now not mass, but time. If that’s true, then you look at the whole universe in a different light. A lot of things become possible, that we think impossible within our current understanding of what time and space and thrust and force are.

If these UFOs come from another part of the universe, it must involve something like this. Even our galaxy is about 100,000 light years across. All of the conventional thrust and force mechanisms that we conceive of just won’t work in terms of human timeframes. If people are here from another civilization, then they’ve understood the finer points of quantum physics.

When I was at Wright-Patterson, we had the flying saucers that covered the distance from Columbus to Detroit in something like the equivalent of about 20,000 miles an hour. Back then, I don’t think anyone in the ordinary aerospace business would have had any knowledge of quantum physics or wormholes or the types of things we know now. But, if you went to CERN now and talked to the particle physicists, they would tell you certainly, some of this was possible, because they see it all the time. Where they think they see mass, they really see energy frozen in a time quantum. What they’re seeing is really a frozen bundle of energy. It moves back and forth almost without any restrictions.

The UFOs weren’t phenomena that were [just] people’s imagination. Whatever they saw was real; I couldn’t explain how it was real, what made it real, but I think they saw what they saw.

Near St. Louis, there was a fairly large triangular object seen, and it traveled the distance down to south St. Louis. In some of its sightings, it was moving relatively benignly, but then it literally jumped about 20 miles in a couple of seconds. I received a lot of phone calls from the local newspapers and TV stations, asking how that could be done. I said, I don’t know how it can, unless you explain it through something like a quantum physics explanation of time and space and relationships that gave you time and space travel. Other than that, there’s no way to do that. And, this object made no sound at all. It starts out at hover, and it literally almost disappears and pops over here — so it’s not like a cartoon where it goes “whoosh.” It’s almost like it disappears and comes up over here, according to the descriptions that some of the police officers gave.

The hard part is to find a way to physically do that. There are people who have been experimenting with zero-point energy, or who tried to tap zero-point energy for years. Every once-in-a-while, someone will do it accidentally. They’ll call it cold fusion, but I don’t think it’s cold fusion; I just think it’s a zero-point energy tap. Except for three people that I know, no one has been able to control it. When it happens, it happens for a short period of time and it’s almost always destructive. It’s like drilling a hole into the base of Grand Coulee Dam, and all of a sudden a jet of water comes out that literally has enough pressure to cut you in half. Without a valve on it, you can’t shut it off.

There’s one guy that a friend of mine actually visited in Ann Arbor, Michigan, who I consider a mathematical genius, and who actually figured out a way to control it. He was terrified that someone would kill him for the knowledge that he had and the ability to tap this whenever he chose to, and control it. We haven’t seen him in five years; we don’t know where he is.

Today you’ve got an energy problem with the price of oil. What do you think would happen if you introduced the ability to tap this zero-point energy? Zero-point energy represents about 40-50 megawatts of power per cubic inch of space. That’s a lot of power. If you could tap it at will, then no one would have to sell gasoline or oil anymore. You would just tap into it. It would be like going out to the Great Lakes and taking out one drop and using it — you’d hardly miss it. And, since it permeates the whole universe and it continually fluctuates as matter-antimatter interaction, it’s not like it’s a steady lake. It’s a pool the size of the universe. So, for what we would use it for, you’d never even miss it.

This one researcher claimed if you bottle it and move it to another location and release it, you’d create a tear in the time domain of local space and actually cause a problem, which he claims he did, and he will never do it again.

Also, it doesn’t work in conventional jet engines. One has to create an actual zero-point energy engine to do that. This researcher in Ann Arbor, Michigan had one running in his basement. It was not connected to any power source whatsoever, sitting in the middle of a table, and it had been running for a year.

But, none of these researchers would have an inkling of how you would build a ship the size of a football field and make it move at the speeds that apparently it [the one near St. Louis] moved. Speed’s actually the wrong word, because conventionally, we think of this as speeding through space, but what if it really acts like some of the high-energy particles at CERN? They really transfer into energy and reappear over here, and there was no mass that went anywhere — because all mass is solid energy. The conventional wisdom is that a complex organic structure like [a human] cannot transfer back and forth from energy to solid, but that’s just because we’ve never seen it done.

What you represent is solid energy. You think you’re solid, right? In fact, the distance between the atoms in your body [is] almost exactly relatively proportional to the same distance as the planets around the sun. So, if you could look at your individual atoms, you would be 98 percent space. If you were the equivalent of a neutron star, which is only the nucleus and the electrons compressed, you would fit on the point of a pin. When you really get down to what you’re made out of, the total state of you is on the point of a pin.

James S. McDonnell [who founded McDonnell-Douglas Aircraft] actually had an institute to study paranormal psychology. That’s why his airplanes were named Banshee and Phantom. He was an Irishman who was very much interested in the spiritual world and the paranormal, and he had part of his research department working with [his] foundation to study the paranormal.

[See the testimony of Dr. Robert Wood confirming this. SG]


The “Great Randi”, the magician, infiltrated his organization and actually, for about six months, did sleight-of-hand experiments to [deceive] him. There would be something really there, and then he’d discredit it — the head of the research department eventually would not even talk about anything related to this.

The guy in Ann Arbor that had the zero-point energy machine actually came to McDonnell-Douglas. He and his partners came in, and they were going to talk about this hydrogen motor that they had. I got invited to the meeting, and about halfway through it, I just said, guys, you have a zero-point energy machine — why don’t you admit it? The head of the research department who was discredited [by Randi] was put off when the inventors discussed this. [He] had the guards come in and escort them off the plant, because the head of research was just so terrified of this happening again — he thought it was pseudoscience. I said, it’s not pseudoscience; it’s just beyond what we know right now.

[There are many accounts of people infiltrating operations to discredit or spin an area of research so it is ridiculed, thus keeping it out of mainstream development and acceptance. SG]

Parapsychology — how do you measure it? The only people I know that have come close are the Russians in their parapsychology institutes, most of which are all now defunct. They had some very interesting twins that they were doing experiments with: they were measuring something that was occurring between the two of them, in their brains, so they could actually know what the other one was thinking. It’s utterly amazing — the spectrum of electromagnetics that are going on inside the brain.

The Russians have done a lot with what’s called scalar waves and different spectrum electromagnetics within the brain. They’re convinced that you can explain parapsychology, if you could ever find out what it is that you’d have to measure to prove that it’s occurring. But, they just got to the edge of perhaps measuring something.

It’s all based on physics. If it’s scalar waves, then you’re in a whole other avenue of physics that [is] very controversial. Tesla was very, very much into those. The difficulty with Tesla, is that when he passed away, J. Edgar Hoover came in and confiscated almost everything. When his maid discovered him dead, she didn’t discover him dead alone — she discovered five FBI agents in his room pilfering everything, and he was [lying] on the bed dead. His nephew sued the U.S. government and won back, theoretically, all of his equipment, experiments, and records.

[See government documents at the end of this interview! SG]

There were, theoretically, fifty boxes [of records, etc.], but they only got forty-five of those in Belgrade. The other five are missing, and a whole bunch of stuff is missing.
We also found a record of a submarine that was in the Mediterranean in 1917 [or] 1918. Tesla, in New Jersey, put one of these antennas in the ocean, right off the coast, and [one] on the shore. He’s holding a conversation with the captain of the submarine — one of the guys actually dug out of the Navy records the log of the submarine, and it essentially says: some idiot who’s claiming he is in New Jersey is talking to me; he must be absolutely crazy because I know I am 100 feet underwater, and no one can be talking to me from New Jersey — and he had the matching language in Tesla’s logbook. So, what was that? People say no — it was an accident, it was a coincidence, etc., but there are a lot of things we can’t explain that people have actually done.

Back when I was a young engineer at McDonnell in the 1960s, we routinely designed for the Air Force and the Navy airplanes that flew at Mach 4 and 6. The Vietnam War interfered with most of that, but we had running engines that would fly Mach 6, easily. We actually had tested engines that would fly the Mach 12 airplanes. In fact, in 1966 a fellow by the name of Bill Esher — he’s still alive, working for SAIC in Huntsville — had on the test stand an engine that was within 5 percent of predicted performance of Mach 8 conditions at about 120,000 feet, and it ran for about 20 minutes. We were convinced we could build them then. What’s fascinating is I got to see the X-33 a couple weeks ago. They had this new breakthrough — a new shingle technology that allowed the inside of the airplane to be room temperature, while the shingles reflect the heat. We built almost exactly the same structure in 1965 and tested it to Mach 12 conditions. It is a little bit more elegant than what we had, because they have more elegant materials these days, but we were convinced we could do it then. People laugh at you and say, no you couldn’t, or no, it’s impossible, we’re not going to do that because it’s risky. But no, it wasn’t risky, and yes, it could be done. All it takes is a dreamer.

Can you imagine the Wright brothers if one was a lawyer, and one was an accountant? They would say: “Why do you have to build a stupid airplane? It only carries one person. Who’s going to buy it; what kind of profit margin are we going to get? We’ve got 40 percent on bicycles; what are we doing this for? Think of the liability — everybody can sue us. It’s a bad idea; let’s not do it.” As long as we have that mind-set, we’re stuck. What you have to say is: “By gosh, it’s something that no one’s ever done before; let’s try it.”

If I were to look at [the period of time] since my first introduction to UFOs as a young lieutenant, to today, I would say there’s a large number of covert projects that go on in the United States that none of us are ever aware of. If you saw some of those things, they would probably bend your mind, and they would not fit your conception of what an airplane is — so it seems to you to be a UFO. So, maybe a large fraction of those [suspected UFOs] are covert projects that we’re doing, or someone’s doing, that are Earthbound [technologies]. If you really knew what was behind them, you would say, yes, I can see how that works.

[See the testimony of Mark McCandlish regarding functioning antigravity vehicles made by humans, and which could easily be misidentified as extraterrestrial vehicles. It is clear from many insiders with whom I have spoken that we have both man-made exotic craft as well as ET craft — and they are all called UFOs. SG]

I think it’s like Project Bluebook: there’s this hardcore 10-15 percent, or 20 percent, that don’t fit any explanation other than the fact that the beings that are in the UFOs came here by way of a process that we’re not familiar with — and that is time-space travel. I firmly believe that some of those are like that.

Almost anything you can think of can be turned around and used as a weapon. When you get into this kind of energy, and energy-time transitions, they can be used to just wipe out whole segments of the population on the Earth — and they can be made to liberate us from all dependence on fossil fuels.

[It is obvious that in order for humanity to continue with adequate technologies for long-term sustainability, peace is the first requirement. We are clearly at the point in our evolution where the option to use such technologies for war means the end of our civilization. SG]

First of all, the ballistic missile defense system is probably a pipe dream, in the sense that what it’s designed for is assuming that you know where [the threat] is coming from. When we had Russia, there was a 50-50 chance that you knew about where it would be coming from. With the rogue nations that we have today, it’s absolutely ludicrous. The threat is the guy who walks in with the briefcase — remember that in the 1950s, they built a nuclear warhead that has an eight-inch-diameter body. That was a quarter kiloton weapon. That will fit inside any briefcase you can think of. The guy may die carrying it, but he’s going to die anyway, so what difference does it make? I’m far more afraid of that. If beings can travel in time-space, then anything we would put in orbit as a weapon would be like going against Genghis Khan with a firecracker. It doesn’t make sense.

[Here he makes a very salient point regarding the weaponization of space: the real threats from Earth terrorists would not be addressed by such weapon systems, and the notion of using them against any extraterrestrial target borders on the suicidal, if not insane. These comments also support the idea that IF the extraterrestrials were hostile (thus requiring space weapons), Earth civilization could have easily been terminated around the time we detonated the first nuclear weapon. That we are still here is strong support for the assessment that the ET presence is not a threat and cannot be used as an excuse for space-based weapons. SG]

When we talk about zero-point energy, what that means is when everything comes down to rest, there’s still energy left. It’s like sea level in the ocean. There is a constant flow of energy between matter and antimatter, as it annihilates itself and recreates itself. It occurs in stars — it’s a continual exchange of energy. Although the average is zero, that zero may be a pretty high level above nothing at all. What Sakharov and some of the physicists said, is that it’s this level that creates the background energy for the universe to exist.

When I got involved in space again with Sandy McDonald, and we started what eventually became the National Aerospace Plane, I met a group of Russians over in England at a conference. One of them had been involved in transmitting energy from an antenna on the ground to a satellite in orbit, and back down to Moscow, with only about 10-15 percent losses. He said the reason we can do this, is this is a scalar wave projector, and here’s what it uses — he opens up his loose-leaf binder and says, “You can’t take any pictures of this or make any sketches; just look at it.”

And, lo and behold, there’s the tube I saw in Yugoslavia, which Tesla had built! This was the antenna that Caspar Weinberger was saying was the antiballistic missile weapon [the Russians allegedly had]. He says if you ever go in the building [where this scalar device is located], all you’re going to see is an empty concrete building with a couple of cables — because it’s not an anti-ballistic missile radar — it’s a scalar wave transmitter. Finally, when the U.S. DoD got in there, they found an empty concrete building with a couple of wires in it, and they said, “Ah, they pulled everything out.” But, he says it never was in there. He claims he transmitted up to 10 megawatts of power from this station, to a satellite, to Moscow, and got about 8.5 to 9 megawatts of power back in Moscow.

[Note that Dr. Carol Rosin also confirms that the U.S. exaggerated the anti-missile threat of the Soviets — we were claiming that they had ‘killer satellites’ when they did not. SG]

They were on the verge of understanding how you do some of these unconventional things, but all of that is now gone. I don’t know where he is. He lost his job, [and] his institute disappeared, so a lot of that work just collapsed in the Soviet Union.

[See also the testimony of Lt. Col. Bearden and David Hamilton.]

That’s the same tube that Tesla said he could [use to] transmit energy to Mars — the surface of Mars — and support a human colony, or [the same] to the surface of the Moon. Once you actually do that, fuel doesn’t become a problem anymore in orbit: you just use one of these tubes to generate the power directly to the right antenna, and you can fly to the moon, you can fly into orbit, you can do anything you want.

The people that have access to [these advanced energy technologies] don’t know how to let go of it, because they’re afraid of who’s going to get their hands on it. Even though there would be a tremendous benefit to mankind, they’re also worried that somebody could take that same energy source and do the equivalent of what they did with the USS Cole — instead of blowing a hole in the side, they could just obliterate the whole ship.

The black budget world is like trying to describe Casper, the friendly ghost. You might see a cartoon of him, but you don’t know how big he is, you don’t know where his funding comes from, you don’t know how many there are, because of the compartmentalization and the oath that people have to take. I know people today that worked on one of the things I worked on, and if you asked them about it — even if it is being discussed on the Internet — they would say: “No, I have no idea what you’re talking about.” They’re in there seventies now, but they still absolutely would never admit that they even know what you’re talking about. You have no idea, but it’s probably larger than you think. And again — there’s a reason for it: you don’t want people who would be hostile to you to know what you could do to them if they really caused a major catastrophe. If they knew that, you wouldn’t prevent them from doing it — they would just do it another way.

http://www.topsecrettestimony.com/Witnesses/AllWitnesses/DrPaulCzysz/tabid/266/Default.aspx
 

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flateric said:
At McDonnell-Douglas, we did lot of high-speed work — hypersonics. We worked on things that flew from Mach 4 to Mach 12, and had some airplanes that flew Mach 12 all the way around the world. We almost built it.

This should serve as a lesson to lazy researchers:
1: "We... had some airplanes that flew Mach 12 all the way around the world."
2: "We almost built it."

One sentence seems to indicate that the had actual Mach 12 aircraft, actually flying around. But the next sentence points out taht they didn't *actually* have them... they just did a lot of work on them. Many people - the lazy, the uninformed, the gullible, the willing-to-belive-the-fantastic - will ignore the second sentence in favor of the first.

This is how whackjob conspiracy rubbish can start. Witness the mind-numbing insanity that inhabits much of ATS, for example.
 

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That's why *we almost* was in bold.
 
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didn't Paul Czysz also say in another interview, that he sometimes gets calls in the middle of the night, with people saying that they are looking at something that he and Czysz had once worked on?
 

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it possibly would be Fred Billig calling =)

Seriously, did someone forget about SAR program, all these papers he has signed, after a troubled flight tests day, had six pack and decided to call ex-collegue? This reminds me invitation from Northrop to late John Northrop to see B-2 desktop model (with signing him papers beforehand of course).
 

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Czysz don't look like a *believer*, he just tries to interprete the facts to interviewer from the scientific point of view.
ATS smugglers can drive their own dark decisions from the text, but, once again, a bit of healthy scepticism appears in his words. He *shrugs* himself.
 
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Czysz don't look like a *believer*, he just tries to interprete the facts to interviewer from the scientific point of view.

while dropping some tantalising hints on the way .

However mach 12 is big deal, pff, the USAF already has warp drive and direct access to space.
 

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flateric said:
Czysz don't look like a *believer*, he just tries to interprete the facts to interviewer from the scientific point of view.
ATS smugglers can drive their own dark decisions from the text, but, once again, a bit of healthy scepticism appears in his words. He *shrugs* himself.

I've talked with Paul on hypersonics topics and he seems like a great guy.

Some engineers are skeptical about what might be possible. I think Paul
is curious and that is really important for a guy that is trying to do
something new, like hypersonics.

He is also a fairly well known name in hypersonics judged by his being published
in many of the AIAA's books on hypersonics. Mostly on hypersonic vehicle
configuration optimization but he is also very interested in thermodynamics of
engine cycles.

He's also been around for a long time and is well known by many of the other
big players.
 

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I think the source of the claims (Mach 12 etc) is the McDonnell air-launch research plane proposals. They are available from NTRS (Hypersonic Research Facilities Study) as pdf:s which Overscan linked a while ago (great thank you).

Czysz was in that team, you can read his name right there in the PDF:


There were two proposals of the four possible ones sketched out in more detail:
-a Mach 6 air-breather with F-15 style side 2d skewed intakes and
-a Mach 12 "plane" with RL-10 rocket engines. More like a flattened cone.

More details in these messages:
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2867.msg31745.html#msg31745
 

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mz said:
I think the source of the claims (Mach 12 etc) is the McDonnell air-launch research plane proposals. They are available from NTRS (Hypersonic Research Facilities Study) as pdf:s which Overscan linked a while ago (great thank you).

Czysz was in that team, you can read his name right there in the PDF:


There were two proposals of the four possible ones sketched out in more detail:
-a Mach 6 air-breather with F-15 style side 2d skewed intakes and
-a Mach 12 "plane" with RL-10 rocket engines. More like a flattened cone.

More details in these messages:
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2867.msg31745.html#msg31745

Thanks overscan, flateric, airrocket, mz and others for posting these and the interesting discussions!
I enjoyed looking at these and reading about them quite a bit.
Neat designs!
Paul references these studies in some of the recent AIAA stuff too and puts the
air based and ground based parts of the proposals into perspective.
I'll have to look at ordering some of the other volumes, unless they're available already online.
It's got to be frustrating to work this stuff up and then have it not get developed!
 

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It's got to be frustrating to work this stuff up and then have it not get developed!

Or having it awarded to Lockheed. ;) :D
 

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What I'm wondering about the zero-point energy is... wouldn't eventually if you took away enough energy, (over a long enough time) wouldn't it kind of "deflate" the Universe? Or would there be some kind of energy conservation law that would deal with that?


Flateric,

He warns against the human tendency to make every new technology into a weapon, pointing out that our weaponization of space does not address the threat of Earth terrorists, and the idea of using these weapons against extraterrestrial targets would be suicidal.

That's one thing that often does worries me about highly advanced technology actually -- that someone will figure out a way to use it for bad purposes.

Has he confirmed the existence of aliens, or is that an assumption based on the fact that he couldn't identify the technology?

What’s fascinating is I got to see the X-33 a couple weeks ago. They had this new breakthrough — a new shingle technology that allowed the inside of the airplane to be room temperature, while the shingles reflect the heat. We built almost exactly the same structure in 1965 and tested it to Mach 12 conditions. It is a little bit more elegant than what we had, because they have more elegant materials these days, but we were convinced we could do it then.

Was that the heat-shield idea that had the shingle, a layer of circulating air underneath it, two layers of thin metal with a truss holding them together with a vacuum in between them, and then a highly insulated fuel-tank wall? (The idea McDonnell came up with) Because I think I've seen a drawing on the web right and I wonder if it's that where it came from.


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However mach 12 is big deal, pff, the USAF already has warp drive and direct access to space.

Huh? Warp Drive?
 

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KJ_Lesnick said:
What I'm wondering about the zero-point energy is... wouldn't eventually if you took away enough energy, (over a long enough time) wouldn't it kind of "deflate" the Universe? Or would there be some kind of energy conservation law that would deal with that?

Erm. Well, that might be worth wondering about if there was the slightest evidence that it existed.


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Has he confirmed the existence of aliens, or is that an assumption based on the fact that he couldn't identify the technology?

Please tell me you are kidding here.

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However mach 12 is big deal, pff, the USAF already has warp drive and direct access to space.

Huh? Warp Drive?

Did you have a humour bypass? I think he's kidding.
 

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He warns against the human tendency to make every new technology into a weapon, pointing out that our weaponization of space does not address the threat of Earth terrorists, and the idea of using these weapons against extraterrestrial targets would be suicidal.

That's one thing that often does worries me about highly advanced technology actually -- that someone will figure out a way to use it for bad purposes.

Has he confirmed the existence of aliens, or is that an assumption based on the fact that he couldn't identify the technology?

Kendra, I think you're reading what you want to see into this. What is being said is this:

If we were threatened by an extraterrestrial force, using space-based weapons against them would be suicidal

If...

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overscan said:
Erm. Well, that might be worth wondering about if there was the slightest evidence that it existed.

No, I think there actually was proof of such background energy, it was called the Casimir effect. Of course whether this energy can be purposefully extracted I'm not sure...


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Please tell me you are kidding here.

Well a little of both. It's generally my opinion that what people believe to be spacecraft are actually just high-tech airplanes that the USAF is testing out. There are also certain magnetic phenomena that can cause glowing to be produced, or just perceived subjectively -- a lot of UFO's were spotted around areas of high tectonic activity.

I would not be suprized though that considering how many stars are in our galaxy, and that there are a sizeable number that have orbitals (planets), and we've even found one that has water on it, and how many galaxies are in the universe that there would be life elsewhere, potentially even a few with creatures possessing intelligence levels nearing, equalling or even surpassing our own -- I do not believe they have visited Earth though.

Did you have a humour bypass? I think he's kidding.

Yup, I had one two months ago ;)


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all right my turn.

and it will be on my "personal experience on the reality of UFOs"

back in 2001 there was this airshow celebrating the 90 years of THK ,our airforce .I asked an officer where the static ( the aircraft to be seen ) .I must say I am not the most impressive person on Earth . He sort of laughed at me . So I read his nametag very carefully. I am kinda vindictive.

one month later he was on the news. The front page of one of the leading newspapers .

my perverse luck .

it was reported that he and his student pilot in their T-37 had come across an cone shaped object behaving agressively . A dogfight if you will. He was so convincing that armed fighters were launched.

ı would have really liked to say he got his lesson from r16 , master of UFOs. But I don't have any .

in all probability it was a Greek aircraft , maybe a RF-4E that he saw . I know a few times they did penetrate and were not caught as they would be out of the area by the time our fighters were sent up. Catching aircraft is not that easy . It is/was quite active in those days and the Greeks would like to show that they too could "invade".

my country does not recognize the Greek ideas on their territorial boundaries and our planes regularly fly in what is international airspace to us . Despite the rhetoric nothing happens , though they once in the early eighties shot down a THK Phantom that had really strayed into Greek airspace . A young pilot was killed and a schoolmate of mine actually saw it falling down ; his family was on vacation at the time. Nothing happened . Fire in what is international to us and see what happens .

we are kinda vindictive.

so that Greek Phantom or whatever it was would have been fair game if there was anyone around.But as it fooled around and nobody was around .A lot of young pilots were up there and they have to be really confident to take risks one day.

something more interesting was needed.

ı don't believe any extraterrestial contact took place up to now , but it is between the limits of probability that other races do exist. The whole idea is being used for wordly gains though .I don't question anyone's right to believe but supporters of notion of aliens are regarded as easy targets by those people who prey on them or keep an eye on what happens .Keeping an eye might be justifiable though . I believe it is called the "Rape of the Air Defence Iniative " when a black programme that studied interception of airbreathing targets was changed into a fullblown effort that was also known as the SDI. And it would probably be true to claim that Ronald Reagan really believed in aliens and their hostility.I think it was in 1958 that General MacArthur declared the next war would be "interplanetary".One was the President of USA , the other was hailed as god.

today's newspaper has it that UFOs have been seen over Arizona . Wonder what is it this time ?

the truth can not be hidden if one of the sides is determined . The USAF might have operated black aircraft for years but then it was in the interests of all Americans ,left or right in all their colours , for the F-117 to remain under wraps . Still it was in every single aviation magazine that in 1978 Bill Park , a test pilot had crashed one. The name might not fit , the descriptions might be wrong , yet everybody knew America had stealth.

the truth is probably that there are no aliens and for that matter no Aurora . I doubt America has hypersonic capability now or had it in the past . There will be many in this forum that will like to prove me wrong , not because they dislike me but if real any Mach 5 + aircraft would be an advance that would impress any aviation enthuasist . Studies are abundant and I visit this site to learn them beside many others , but hardware is doubtful .

maybe it was a fluke , a chance discovery that enabled Americans to build something that I have just said does not exist ; the hypersonic thing and not flying saucers. Maybe their external shape include clues to their performance and the next Saddam could copy them to achieve an "unstoppable" aircraft that can affect strategic balance of the world , so that is why they are zealously guarded ;no pictures , no pilot interviews etc..( As a real example ,I could remind of the student from Far East that misunderstood his teacher and added maybe 10 000 times of the amount of the chemical he was to use in the experiment , only to discover the conducting plastics . So the possibility remains.) But it is my sincere belief that any Americans that travelled faster than SR-71 pilots did it in X-15 or the Space Shuttle and space shots ; all of them in public and there is nothing else .

Dr. Paul Czysz is at best shaping public opinion .

one more relevant story is that at 1944 , the Japanese Prime minister asked the scientists to develop a new engine using "air" , the scientists then started a movement for peace .Zero point energy in various forms have been with us for centuries . Before the scientists gave it a good , scientifically acceptable name it was called magic. So far the only successes are illusions .If he is still famous , you might check David Copperfield , it appears he is really flying . Illusions they are . Doubt they will improve from that .

am I a man in black ? Well , as I can't keep my own computer from viruses it is seriously unlikely. And what is the use of dogfighting UFOs to me ? I would rather have a job .

written at home as usual .
 

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one more relevant story is that at 1944 , the Japanese Prime minister asked the scientists to develop a new engine using "air" , the scientists then started a movement for peace .Zero point energy in various forms have been with us for centuries . Before the scientists gave it a good , scientifically acceptable name it was called magic.

Why did the Japanese scientists start a movement for peace? Were they worried what the technology would unleash?


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KJ_Lesnick said:
Why did the Japanese scientists start a movement for peace? Were they worried what the technology would unleash?
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off-topic, KJ.
 

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the relevant part is the scientists quickly found out the theory had no basis in reality . Their cities were or were to be systematically burned to ground , many young people were in Kamikaze Corps preparing to get on one way voyages , children who would be better off in kindergarten were training to be moving anti tank mines , probably because the Japanese knew Russian experiments with dogs didn't pay off . I think the Japanese would do "flying saucers" if they could and the side effects could go to hell .

the Japanese believe they were nuked after they surrendered or at least attempted to . Hiroshima or little green men , which is preferable assuming there is a choice ?
 

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The giant triangles that appear over Palmdale move very slowly — they’re very large and very slow-moving.

This is the same thing Curtis Peebles mentions in "Dark Eagles". It's interesting that Dr. Czysz talks about it very seriously here.
 

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I think this may have already been posted, but I can't find it on the SPF site. So if its elsewhere on SPF feel free to remove.
Paul Czysz interview with NASA historian regarding Cooper Canyon, Orient Express and a USAF general stating that they have 5 aircraft designed for high speed flight.
This is just a snippet (the rest of the document is at https://crgis.ndc.nasa.gov/historic/File:paul_Czysz_11052001.pdf):
 

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Sandy McDonnell was CEO of McDonnell Douglas between 1980-1988. Therefore, these five aircraft would have been built prior to 1988.
 

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Fascinating stuff. Not that I had not heard it before. I am very familiar with the ESA guy's quote because he said that to me as well (and then denied he had said it, but this kind of explodes that cockamamy story). And the Steve Wurst story... his concept was pretty ambitious and it was hard to make bits of it converge, but it was not fantasy.

Was NASP really a cover for something? That's a long discussion, but NASP was so utterly weird that one wonders.

Also: Some people who make silly comments about methane ought to read this transcript. As should others who make sillier comments about fairytales.
 

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