Aircraft - Real or fake?

@Justo Miranda I'm afraid the laughter emoticon leaves me guessing at the information possibly hinted to by it.
Could you please elaborate?
 
Arjen said:
@Justo Miranda I'm afraid the laughter emoticon leaves me guessing at the information possibly hinted to by it.
Could you please elaborate?
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Both Dan and I have published extensive information on the Blohm & Voss Bv P.209.01. in our books. I thought CiTrus 90 was joking, but he doesn't seem to know my work. I'm sorry he's been so biased.
https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/blohm-und-voss-projects-and-prototypes-1943-1945.43002/
https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/th...craft-bat-wings-1941-1945-volume-three.41130/
 
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Justo Miranda said:
Both Dan and I have published extensive information on the Blohm & Voss Bv P.209.01. in our books. I thought CiTrus 90 was joking, but he doesn't seem to know my work. I'm sorry he's been so biased.
https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/blohm-und-voss-projects-and-prototypes-1943-1945.43002/
https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/th...craft-bat-wings-1941-1945-volume-three.41130/
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It is not the same aircraft. The one Hesham and I posted is a DVL design, as documented by Dan in his bookazine (pages 52 to 55).
The one you posted is a Blohm & Voss project.

The most prominent distinction should be easy to see:
- the first one (DVL) is a prone pilot design.
- the second one (B&V) has a normal cockpit where the pilot sits in the upright position

In what way would I be biased when I point out they are not the same?

Are a F-106 and a Mirage III the same aircraft just because they have one engine and a delta wing?
Clearly not.
Same here: the DVL project is not the B&V P.209.

You can ask Dan if you don't trust my opinion.
But I certainly don't see the reason to say I would be biased against you, did I do something to upset you, besides pointing out an error you made by misidentifying this aircraft?
Is that reason enough to take it on a personal level?
 
@CiTrus90 referred to the aircraft described as a DVL jet fighter on pages 52-53, pictured on pages 54-55 of Luftwaffe: Secret Designs of the Third Reich by Dan Sharp. I have included a low-res image of pages 54-55.
In Luftwaffe: Secret Fighters of the Third Reich, page 52, Dan Sharp writes about the B&V P.209.01 - low-res image also included.
Dan Sharp appears to consider these two as separate developments.
 

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Arjen said:
@CiTrus90 referred to the aircraft described as a DVL jet fighter on pages 52-53, pictured on pages 54-55 of Luftwaffe: Secret Designs of the Third Reich by Dan Sharp. I have included a low-res image of pages 54-55.
In Luftwaffe: Secret Fighters of the Third Reich, page 52, Dan Sharp writes about the B&V P.209.01 - low-res image also included.
Dan Sharp appears to consider these two as separate developments.
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Well, if it comes to talking about Dan's books, I'll be happy to collaborate. I think the DVL version is an excellent discovery that I was completely unaware of. It never ceases to amaze me at the continuous appearance of new German projects.;)
 
The K2 said:
Miyazaki is a prolific artist on fictional aircraft. A lot of it was printed in the Japanese magazine Model Graphix before being published in books.
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/mende...aki-had-a-regular-featur--321444492148591529/
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It's an absolutely genius design: the engine and cockpit of a Raiden and the tail surfaces of a Zero. The wings of a Shoki with a central section to allow the installation of the turbojet... possibly a Ne 12B. I'd like to make a three-view scale drawing for the modelers.:)
 
This so Fake, but it look cool
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Warplanes of the Third Reich by William Green, Doubleday 1970 shows a drawing of a He 115C with an MG 151-20 in just such a chin turret.
Green writes the installation was first tested on the single He 115D, then goes on to write "most surviving He 115s were fitted with heavier armament, some having the bath-mounted 20-mm MG 151 tested by the He 115D, and an MG 81Z twin-gun installation in the dorsal position".
 
The layout says "Miles Libellula",and there actually were designs with that arrangement of canard wing and main wing with straight leading edge, but I couldn't find one, that really matches this drawing.
So, and again for multiple times, mentioning the source of such a drawing actually may help with identification ... ;)
 
Now that you mention it, the tail does look like a Spitfire's nose. The front end looks like a Beaufighter's nose, including the dome behind the cockpit canopy. The absence of vertical control surfaces looks suspicious to me.
 
Arjen said:
Now that you mention it, the tail does look like a Spitfire's nose. The front end looks like a Beaufighter's nose, including the dome behind the cockpit canopy. The absence of vertical control surfaces looks suspicious to me.
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But then again the side view shows neither wing nor canard, so wingtip fins could still be a possibility.
 
Agreed, it has all the hallmarks of a cut 'n' paste hack job as a what-if artwork (I suspect that's a P-51 wing cleverly skewed to look swept).
 
I agree about the wing, it's been skewed _and_ stretched spanwise, look at how far apart the gun muzzles are. Also, looking closely, the exhaust stubs are the wrong way round for a pusher . . .

cheers,
robin.
 
Justo Miranda said:
It's an absolutely genius design: the engine and cockpit of a Raiden and the tail surfaces of a Zero. The wings of a Shoki with a central section to allow the installation of the turbojet... possibly a Ne 12B. I'd like to make a three-view scale drawing for the modelers.:)
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Looking forward to seeing it visualized!
I was searching around the forum to see if anyone's brought up this particular aircraft before, and does anyone happen to know which magazine/book that page was from?
 
Sorry guys, is it a real helicopter or not ?, I think it's fake.
 

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