I am working on a science fiction story and need some help with designing and drawing

riggerrob said:
Ignoring major powers on other continents ....
What if the capital city: Brazilia's power declines and other regions start wanting independence from the central capital city?
... avoiding high taxes, border tarriffs, conscription, etc.
Rio de Janero wants to become independent, perhaps. Whether it wants to become a city state or control some of its interior is open for debate/civil war, etc.
Interior grasslands want to control their own destinies and cattle prices.
Amazonians want to be separate from the cities.
Mix, reheat and repeat.

Without Europeans, Asians or North Americans interfering, rebel groups can only hope for support from neighboring Latin American countries with Venezuela trying to nibble off a northern state of Brazil .... Peru trying to nibble off the Western portion of the Amazon, etc.
France does not interfere because of poor roads linking French Guyana to the Northern states of Brazil.

Narco-trafficantes have long controlled the Brazilian states nearest Venezuela and Columbia that are most lush for growing cocaine. Mind you, by now narco-trafficantes have developed a dozen other synthetic drugs that can be manufactured in micro-factories concealed in ISO shipping containers.
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Like the only country that could realistically nibble something Is ...France. Perù never was in the best shape and we have good relations with them. Venezuela probably wont be able to be a stabile country for a while.
 
CV12Hornet said:
TheRejectionist said:
  1. INVASION OF BRAZIL BY USA (mainly), FRANCE, UNITED KINGDOM (AND FEW OTHERS)
  2. CREATION OF A VICHY-STYLE PUPPET STATE
  3. CREATION OF AN CONGO-FREE-STATE-STYLE IN THE BRAZILIAN AMAZON
  4. POSSIBLY OCCUPATION OF THE COASTLINE AS WELL?
  5. RESISTANCE TO US OCCUPATION
  6. RUSSIAN-ISRAELI (few others too)COVERT COOPERATION TO HELP BRAZIL WITH WEAPONS AND VEHICLES
  7. NON-NUCLEAR CHINESE AMERICAN WAR
  8. BOTH OF THEM ARE K.O. afterwards
  9. INVASION FORCES CREATE AN HOLDOUT IN THE OCCUPIED BRAZILIAN AMAZON
  10. BRAZIL TAKES THE POSITION OF CHINA IN THE LUSOPHONE COUNTRIES AND THERE IS A SORT OF OVERSEAS FEDERATION (except Portugal)
  11. BRAZIL TRIES TO RECLAIM THE AMAZON
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Okay, so I'm going to speak mostly on combat aircraft here, since that's more my wheelhouse wrt to what you've outlined you need.

First, I recommend this Flight Global article for the inventories of the world's air forces in 2021 as a starting point: https://www.flightglobal.com/download?ac=75345

Alright, aircraft. As of 2040, I'd expect the backbone of Brazil's fast jet force to still be the Gripen E; given the capability of Brazil's aviation industry, and current local assembly of the Gripen E, full production capability is IMO in handwaving distance by 2040. Most of the rest of your little alliance should still be equipped with F-16s of varying vintages, with Angola and Venezuela still hanging onto their Flankers and there are probably a few squadrons of JF-17s floating around.

Once they band together, and start relying heavily on Russian and Israeli assistance, I'd expect more Gripens (with Russian engines and Israeli avionics replacing all the American gear, most likely) assuming the occupation doesn't wreck Brazil's aviation industry along the way; Brazil having a small high-end force of Su-57s; and everyone else having the Su-75 flogged their direction.
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Yeah, I was wondering too if the Brazilian industry would not get annihilated since some of the them are close (relatively) to the coast.
 
CV12Hornet said:
TheRejectionist said:
  1. INVASION OF BRAZIL BY USA (mainly), FRANCE, UNITED KINGDOM (AND FEW OTHERS)
  2. CREATION OF A VICHY-STYLE PUPPET STATE
  3. CREATION OF AN CONGO-FREE-STATE-STYLE IN THE BRAZILIAN AMAZON
  4. POSSIBLY OCCUPATION OF THE COASTLINE AS WELL?
  5. RESISTANCE TO US OCCUPATION
  6. RUSSIAN-ISRAELI (few others too)COVERT COOPERATION TO HELP BRAZIL WITH WEAPONS AND VEHICLES
  7. NON-NUCLEAR CHINESE AMERICAN WAR
  8. BOTH OF THEM ARE K.O. afterwards
  9. INVASION FORCES CREATE AN HOLDOUT IN THE OCCUPIED BRAZILIAN AMAZON
  10. BRAZIL TAKES THE POSITION OF CHINA IN THE LUSOPHONE COUNTRIES AND THERE IS A SORT OF OVERSEAS FEDERATION (except Portugal)
  11. BRAZIL TRIES TO RECLAIM THE AMAZON
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Okay, so I'm going to speak mostly on combat aircraft here, since that's more my wheelhouse wrt to what you've outlined you need.

First, I recommend this Flight Global article for the inventories of the world's air forces in 2021 as a starting point: https://www.flightglobal.com/download?ac=75345

Alright, aircraft. As of 2040, I'd expect the backbone of Brazil's fast jet force to still be the Gripen E; given the capability of Brazil's aviation industry, and current local assembly of the Gripen E, full production capability is IMO in handwaving distance by 2040. Most of the rest of your little alliance should still be equipped with F-16s of varying vintages, with Angola and Venezuela still hanging onto their Flankers and there are probably a few squadrons of JF-17s floating around.

Once they band together, and start relying heavily on Russian and Israeli assistance, I'd expect more Gripens (with Russian engines and Israeli avionics replacing all the American gear, most likely) assuming the occupation doesn't wreck Brazil's aviation industry along the way; Brazil having a small high-end force of Su-57s; and everyone else having the Su-75 flogged their direction.
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No Mikoyan PAK DPs or PAK DAs?
 
TheRejectionist said:
No Mikoyan PAK DPs or PAK DAs?
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They don't fit economically or doctrinally. PAK DP is a MiG-31 replacement, PAK DA a strategic bomber. The latter this alliance can't afford; the former they don't really need.

Also, Russia is very unlikely to sell either anyway.
 
TheRejectionist said:
I am amateur writer, I am currently on my 26th page of what I am writing. I have so far come up with help of friends in the military :

1. Tank with two variants (tracks and wheels)
2. Support vehicle of said tank

Now I am lacking other important components of army : helicopters and planes. Specifically :

1. Multipurpose combat airplanes/jets
2. Transport planes
3. Helicopters (multipurpose and transport)

The setting of this story is the Amazon rainforest : one side is a NATO equivalent against a coalition of Central and South American nations plus Angola, Cabo Verde, East Timor, Mozambique and Guinea Bissau supported by Russia and Israel.

I am currently doing the second (the Russo-Israeli supported side) before I do the NATO equivalent.

Could someone potentially discuss here with me and help me ? I have no previous knowledge or else about planes and jets. I am a simple civvie who likes to write science fiction that at least on paper sounds plausible.
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In my opinion, the interests of Russia and Israel could only ally against something similar to the Third Reich, perhaps as a consequence of a civil war in the United States that ended with the result of the extermination of African Americans. According to this reasoning, in the future the Western world could have drifted towards some kind of technological dictatorship that needed for its survival an element that can only be found in Brazil. The involvement of some African countries could be justified by the diaspora of the surviving African Americans, perhaps they emigrated to Africa and took control of those countries because of their greater intellectual preparation and personal motivations, as happened with the Jews in 1947.

The most difficult thing is to write the first 25 pages, if you have already written 26 the book is solved!:)
 
TheRejectionist said:
  1. INVASION OF BRAZIL BY USA (mainly), FRANCE, UNITED KINGDOM (AND FEW OTHERS)
  2. CREATION OF A VICHY-STYLE PUPPET STATE
  3. CREATION OF AN CONGO-FREE-STATE-STYLE IN THE BRAZILIAN AMAZON
  4. POSSIBLY OCCUPATION OF THE COASTLINE AS WELL?
  5. RESISTANCE TO US OCCUPATION
  6. RUSSIAN-ISRAELI (few others too)COVERT COOPERATION TO HELP BRAZIL WITH WEAPONS AND VEHICLES
  7. NON-NUCLEAR CHINESE AMERICAN WAR
  8. BOTH OF THEM ARE K.O. afterwards
  9. INVASION FORCES CREATE AN HOLDOUT IN THE OCCUPIED BRAZILIAN AMAZON
  10. BRAZIL TAKES THE POSITION OF CHINA IN THE LUSOPHONE COUNTRIES AND THERE IS A SORT OF OVERSEAS FEDERATION (except Portugal)
  11. BRAZIL TRIES TO RECLAIM THE AMAZON
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6. If the US et al are occupying the region to the point puppet regimes are on the table, then I'm not sure how Russo-Israeli military hardware is covertly entering Brazil. Air transport is out due to the scale necessary and the US are drinking lead-laced coffee if they don't have a carrier battlegroup off the coast, BAMS up, are USCG cutter spamming or straight-up occupying all atlantic-coast ports of any significant offload capacity. I can't envision some kind of maritime exclusion zone not being created and any runners are going to stand out like a sore thumb. Yes there'll be leakers but a trickle only - vs a MEU or 2? That really leaves off-loading in Venezuela, Argentina or Uruguay - a long drive through inhospitable terrain! Or forcing the issue (I wouldn't).

In light of 7 & 8, I don't see 9 happening really. If it is really that bad, then the Amazon really isn't that important anymore. US forces are going to break out and make for home by hook or by crook and the remaining allies aren't really going to be that invested in staying. Indeed if the USA is "KO", the Europeans are going to want everyone home too.

Don't get me wrong, it's an interesting scenario but the dominoes are everywhere! Perhaps you could have ramped-up tensions between the USA & China to explain a current lack of reinforcements for the S America TO but an existential threat to the USA kinda guts your scenario IMO.
 
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Something I seem to have missed: *why* has the US invaded Amazonia? There are no resources there that any foreign nation would likely want to go to the bother of a long distance jungle war for. If Brazil turned into the 4th Reich and tries to launch their own war of world domination, I think their enemies would be more interested in just pounding Brazils cities flat and leaving the rain forest alone.
 
edwest2 said:
No resources in Amazonia? Wood for furniture. Wood...

Did I mention wood?

:)
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How about if the Amazon contained some rare earth metal that is needed for 7th generation electronic gadgets? Perhaps a handful of meteorites landed in the Amazon and they are the only source of this rare earth metal. Perhaps the iron-rich, acidic Amazon climate preserves these meteorites better than anywhere else on earth.
 
riggerrob said:
edwest2 said:
No resources in Amazonia? Wood for furniture. Wood...

Did I mention wood?

:)
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How about if the Amazon contained some rare earth metal that is needed for 7th generation electronic gadgets? Perhaps a handful of meteorites landed in the Amazon and they are the only source of this rare earth metal. Perhaps the iron-rich, acidic Amazon climate preserves these meteorites better than anywhere else on earth.
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edwest2 said:
No resources in Amazonia? Wood for furniture. Wood...

Did I mention wood?

:)
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Orionblamblam said:
Something I seem to have missed: *why* has the US invaded Amazonia? There are no resources there that any foreign nation would likely want to go to the bother of a long distance jungle war for. If Brazil turned into the 4th Reich and tries to launch their own war of world domination, I think their enemies would be more interested in just pounding Brazils cities flat and leaving the rain forest alone.
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Opportunistic Minnow said:
TheRejectionist said:
  1. INVASION OF BRAZIL BY USA (mainly), FRANCE, UNITED KINGDOM (AND FEW OTHERS)
  2. CREATION OF A VICHY-STYLE PUPPET STATE
  3. CREATION OF AN CONGO-FREE-STATE-STYLE IN THE BRAZILIAN AMAZON
  4. POSSIBLY OCCUPATION OF THE COASTLINE AS WELL?
  5. RESISTANCE TO US OCCUPATION
  6. RUSSIAN-ISRAELI (few others too)COVERT COOPERATION TO HELP BRAZIL WITH WEAPONS AND VEHICLES
  7. NON-NUCLEAR CHINESE AMERICAN WAR
  8. BOTH OF THEM ARE K.O. afterwards
  9. INVASION FORCES CREATE AN HOLDOUT IN THE OCCUPIED BRAZILIAN AMAZON
  10. BRAZIL TAKES THE POSITION OF CHINA IN THE LUSOPHONE COUNTRIES AND THERE IS A SORT OF OVERSEAS FEDERATION (except Portugal)
  11. BRAZIL TRIES TO RECLAIM THE AMAZON
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6. If the US et al are occupying the region to the point puppet regimes are on the table, then I'm not sure how Russo-Israeli military hardware is covertly entering Brazil. Air transport is out due to the scale necessary and the US are drinking lead-laced coffee if they don't have a carrier battlegroup off the coast, BAMS up, are USCG cutter spamming or straight-up occupying all atlantic-coast ports of any significant offload capacity. I can't envision some kind of maritime exclusion zone not being created and any runners are going to stand out like a sore thumb. Yes there'll be leakers but a trickle only - vs a MEU or 2? That really leaves off-loading in Venezuela, Argentina or Uruguay - a long drive through inhospitable terrain! Or forcing the issue (I wouldn't).

In light of 7 & 8, I don't see 9 happening really. If it is really that bad, then the Amazon really isn't that important anymore. US forces are going to break out and make for home by hook or by crook and the remaining allies aren't really going to be that invested in staying. Indeed if the USA is "KO", the Europeans are going to want everyone home too.

Don't get me wrong, it's an interesting scenario but the dominoes are everywhere! Perhaps you could have ramped-up tensions between the USA & China to explain a current lack of reinforcements for the S America TO but an existential threat to the USA kinda guts your scenario IMO.
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Hey guys, I will try to reply to all AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

I wish I could type and respond as fast as you guys, but currently I am mentally and physically exhausted by University exams.

So I hope you guys are not mad I am not replying immediatly to all of you.

Again, thank you guys for info, insight and questions!
 
riggerrob said:
edwest2 said:
No resources in Amazonia? Wood for furniture. Wood...

Did I mention wood?

:)
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How about if the Amazon contained some rare earth metal that is needed for 7th generation electronic gadgets? Perhaps a handful of meteorites landed in the Amazon and they are the only source of this rare earth metal. Perhaps the iron-rich, acidic Amazon climate preserves these meteorites better than anywhere else on earth.
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Vibranium?

Honestly it's difficult to imagine what the Amazon could have that would be worth going to war over. *Maybe* the Brazilians want to chop it all down to turn it into farmland to feed their peopel and export food, because the planetary biosphere is crashing... and the US wants them to *not* chop it down because the Amazon is the last place on dry land with a meaningful rain forest, the last hope of converting CO2 into oxygen now that Chinese pollution has killed the oceans?

So... yeah, wood.
 
It is still not clear to me what 20 Minutes into the Future aka Max Headroom possibly has to do with a fictional war in the Amazon - please enlighten me.
 
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Orionblamblam said:
riggerrob said:
edwest2 said:
No resources in Amazonia? Wood for furniture. Wood...

Did I mention wood?

:)
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How about if the Amazon contained some rare earth metal that is needed for 7th generation electronic gadgets? Perhaps a handful of meteorites landed in the Amazon and they are the only source of this rare earth metal. Perhaps the iron-rich, acidic Amazon climate preserves these meteorites better than anywhere else on earth.
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Vibranium?

Honestly it's difficult to imagine what the Amazon could have that would be worth going to war over. *Maybe* the Brazilians want to chop it all down to turn it into farmland to feed their peopel and export food, because the planetary biosphere is crashing... and the US wants them to *not* chop it down because the Amazon is the last place on dry land with a meaningful rain forest, the last hope of converting CO2 into oxygen now that Chinese pollution has killed the oceans?

So... yeah, wood.
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Chinese pollution?

Yer just beggin' ta be reported.

:)
 
edwest2 said:
Chinese pollution?

Yer just beggin' ta be reported.

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Reality does have that effect on some people.

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But it's not just bits of plastic trash the Chinese are polluting the oceans with... they're also dropping off entire islands in international waters.
 
Orionblamblam said:
But it's not just bits of plastic trash the Chinese are polluting the oceans with... they're also dropping off entire islands in international waters.
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That's geoengineering; while politically dubious, raising islands themselves is not exactly very harmful for environment.
 
Dilandu said:
Orionblamblam said:
But it's not just bits of plastic trash the Chinese are polluting the oceans with... they're also dropping off entire islands in international waters.
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That's geoengineering; while politically dubious, raising islands themselves is not exactly very harmful for environment.
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I disagree. In the process of "raising islands" Chinese construction workers are dredging nearby ocean floor to provide rocky fill. All that dredging destroys fish habitat and coral reefs.
 
Dilandu said:
Orionblamblam said:
But it's not just bits of plastic trash the Chinese are polluting the oceans with... they're also dropping off entire islands in international waters.
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That's geoengineering; while politically dubious, raising islands themselves is not exactly very harmful for environment.
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If nothing else, they're polluting international waters with phony claims of national sovereignty. A foreseeable result of that is war, which tends to be environmentally messy.
 
Dilandu said:
Orionblamblam said:
If nothing else, they're polluting international waters with phony claims of national sovereignty.
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Like US is polluting the world with phony claims of respecting the national sovereignty?)
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The US government does not respect it's *own* national sovereignty. But the US is also not building islands in international water and claiming the surroundings, nor invading and annexing neighbors on BS grounds about "but they speak out language." That sort of thing fell out of fashion when the socialist with the funny 'stache took the Sudetenland.
 
Orionblamblam said:
The US government does not respect it's *own* national sovereignty. But the US is also not building islands in international water and claiming the surroundings, nor invading and annexing neighbors on BS grounds about "but they speak out language." That sort of thing fell out of fashion when the socialist with the funny 'stache took the Sudetenland.
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Your own national sovereignty is your own buisness. But national sovereignty of Syria, Iraq, Libya, which was brutally violated by illegal US military actions, causing death of hundreds of thousands and suffering of millions, is not. At least China killed no one by ispand-swindling.
 
overscan (PaulMM) said:
Can we please get back to helping this gentleman with designing some vehicles for his novel
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Sure, but vehicle design, especially military vehicle, is driven to a large degree by politics. Gotta understand the world situation to understand the needed vehicles.

and stop playing 'who's regime did most evil"?
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Belgium.
 
20 minute into the future? Brasil is in disarray right now and I don't see in near future of having any potential for expansion and what not.

It is far more likely that if war between Ukraine and Russia happens, somehow NATO has guts to involve directly, a bloody war on edge of nuclear conflict only for Russian people having enough and another October Revolution happening since Russian Communist party is one of most popular, if elections were fair without manipulation then result could have been majority.

In such potential scenario along closer relationship between China and Russia, there is potential for a union that may encompass other countries of former Soviet Union along Indo-China region that could end up as something like Union of Socialist Euro Asia.
 
TheRejectionist said:
martinbayer said:
It is still not clear to me what 20 Minutes into the Future aka Max Headroom possibly has to do with a fictional war in the Amazon - please enlighten me.
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I Will reply as soon as I gather my strenghth.
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The trope is to have a recognizable (or at least somewhat recognizable) future world. The Amazon War was inspired by the Euro-Arabian Resource Wars of Fallout. But transplanted elsewhere.
BullpupRafale said:
20 minute into the future? Brasil is in disarray right now and I don't see in near future of having any potential for expansion and what not.
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We are not in disarray. We are not like Syria, Somalia, Lybia or even close to levels of Mexico,Guatemala, Salvador, Honduras, Venezuela. Maybe if one of the 2 main competitors in this year elections wins could see trouble, because boths are crooks, the ex president more than his contemporary, and the other candidates are equally crooked or buffoons. :rolleyes:

Personally, my prediction for the 2 canditates (yes there will be others but count next to nothing) :

1. Right-wing style democracy like Poland (don't like it but Italy is an worse position). Pro-American. Something I don't wish.
2. I wouldn't be surprise with the other we end up like Nicaragua, with the newly elected leader starting to jail the opposition. What would be confirmed for certain is a return to barely covered cronyism, fraud and bribery. And it's Sinophile, something I also really don't wish.

I am granted the ability of non-voting (because I will be working) as I did the previous one.

End of off topic. Also because it was already derailed.

On the topic of expansion : it's science fiction. While I am taking a realistic approach, I want to have a little playful fun with the imagination;)

edwest2 said:
Get some copies of Jane's is my advice. Read them. Understand them.
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Don't know what you are referring to ?

Orionblamblam said:
overscan (PaulMM) said:
Can we please get back to helping this gentleman with designing some vehicles for his novel
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Sure, but vehicle design, especially military vehicle, is driven to a large degree by politics. Gotta understand the world situation to understand the needed vehicles.

and stop playing 'who's regime did most evil"?
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Belgium.
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I am wondering if it would be considered realistic that a country not Brazil but its allies could steal the projects of other countries for tanks/planes and son. Basically stealing the instructions and recipes, I don't what best analogy I could put.

I am asking so not to limit myself to Brazilian allies t ech.
 
TheRejectionist said:
1. Right-wing style democracy like Poland (don't like it but Italy is an worse position). Pro-American. Something I don't wish.
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Huh.

TheRejectionist said:
I am wondering if it would be considered realistic that a country not Brazil but its allies could steal the projects of other countries for tanks/planes and son. Basically stealing the instructions and recipes, I don't what best analogy I could put.
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Sure. Recent decades have shown that the most advanced, secret technology is available to pretty much anyone who wants to put in the effort to steal it, hack it, bribe or blackmail someone to walk it out the door. But just because you have the blueprints doesn't mean you can make it. Unless your files are *extremely* complete, there will probably be references to materials you don't understand ("Fogbank"), and production processes that are inexplicable and non-reproducible. Components that need to be procured, but you're unclear on what they are and where to get them. You might steal the plans for a main battle tank that can turn invisible, but unless you also stole the code that runs the software that controls the invisibility, all it does it turn neon pink and flash purple polka dots.
 
Orionblamblam said:
TheRejectionist said:
1. Right-wing style democracy like Poland (don't like it but Italy is an worse position). Pro-American. Something I don't wish.
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Last off topic deviation. The first 33 years of democracy were a mess. The most egregious time of in your face corruption happened during the Worker's Party governments.

Not that the rest were saints.

But today's Brazilian right all stems from the WP incompetence, cronyism, corruption and general disregard for the wellbeing and security of working class citizens (me included) the right wing politics would have stayed dead.

Orionblamblam said:
TheRejectionist said:
I am wondering if it would be considered realistic that a country not Brazil but its allies could steal the projects of other countries for tanks/planes and son. Basically stealing the instructions and recipes, I don't what best analogy I could put.
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Sure. Recent decades have shown that the most advanced, secret technology is available to pretty much anyone who wants to put in the effort to steal it, hack it, bribe or blackmail someone to walk it out the door. But just because you have the blueprints doesn't mean you can make it. Unless your files are *extremely* complete, there will probably be references to materials you don't understand ("Fogbank"), and production processes that are inexplicable and non-reproducible. Components that need to be procured, but you're unclear on what they are and where to get them. You might steal the plans for a main battle tank that can turn invisible, but unless you also stole the code that runs the software that controls the invisibility, all it does it turn neon pink and flash purple polka dots.
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So, what would be a realistic scenario to have a complete steal to reproduce said vehicle in your opinion?
 
TheRejectionist said:
So, what would be a realistic scenario to have a complete steal to reproduce said vehicle in your opinion?
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You'd have to have an industrial and scientific infrastructure already in place on par with the country you're stealing from. If the Untied States during WWII was somehow gifted a modern laptop, they might figure out how to use it... but they would be *decades* away from trying to reproduce it, or even understand it. Modern Brazil obviously isn't as far from the modern US as 1945 is from 2022, but the principle is the same. So if the Brazilian Intelligence Agency found out that the United States had some new wonder-weapon that the ABIN decided they had to have, they might steal/buy/extort the plans... and then they'll spend *years* also building up the native infrastructure to support it. This would mean not only years of work and expense at home (including potentially massive programs of theoretical science to understand what it is they've got), but years of additional espionage.
 
TheRejectionist said:
So, what would be a realistic scenario to have a complete steal to reproduce said vehicle in your opinion?
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You get a production license and then keep producing unlicensed copies once the contracted run is complete. That way you have the host country help you get the infrastructure set up. That's how China got to producing Flanker clones, much to the consternation of the Russians.
 
Orionblamblam said:
TheRejectionist said:
So, what would be a realistic scenario to have a complete steal to reproduce said vehicle in your opinion?
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You'd have to have an industrial and scientific infrastructure already in place on par with the country you're stealing from. If the Untied States during WWII was somehow gifted a modern laptop, they might figure out how to use it... but they would be *decades* away from trying to reproduce it, or even understand it. Modern Brazil obviously isn't as far from the modern US as 1945 is from 2022, but the principle is the same. So if the Brazilian Intelligence Agency found out that the United States had some new wonder-weapon that the ABIN decided they had to have, they might steal/buy/extort the plans... and then they'll spend *years* also building up the native infrastructure to support it. This would mean not only years of work and expense at home (including potentially massive programs of theoretical science to understand what it is they've got), but years of additional espionage.
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So either by your explanation, I would need someone to produce said planes and tech and more. Israel and Russia could also have infrastructure ?

Or :
CV12Hornet said:
TheRejectionist said:
So, what would be a realistic scenario to have a complete steal to reproduce said vehicle in your opinion?
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You get a production license and then keep producing unlicensed copies once the contracted run is complete. That way you have the host country help you get the infrastructure set up. That's how China got to producing Flanker clones, much to the consternation of the Russians.
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What I was thinking was, I could, like, Brazil already has a pre-existing infrastructure and contract from another company (or maybe Russian intel) THEN the war starts.

Dilandu said:
overscan (PaulMM) said:
Can we please get back to helping this gentleman with designing some vehicles for his novel and stop playing 'who's regime did most evil"?
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Okay, I'm sorry. :(
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Nothing bad happened, though it was rather curious seeing you and @Orionblamblam verbally sparring with your keybords!

edwest2 said:
As far as I am concerned, Jane's publishes the best guides to military hardware. An example:

Jane's Aircraft Recognition Guide Fifth Edition: Gething, Michael J, Endres, Gunter: 9780061346194: Amazon.com: Books

Jane's Aircraft Recognition Guide Fifth Edition [Gething, Michael J, Endres, Gunter] on Amazon.com. *FREE* shipping on qualifying offers. Jane's Aircraft Recognition Guide Fifth Edition
www.amazon.com
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It's rather,,, almost vintage ? And simplistic...
 
TheRejectionist said:
edwest2 said:
As far as I am concerned, Jane's publishes the best guides to military hardware. An example:

Jane's Aircraft Recognition Guide Fifth Edition: Gething, Michael J, Endres, Gunter: 9780061346194: Amazon.com: Books

Jane's Aircraft Recognition Guide Fifth Edition [Gething, Michael J, Endres, Gunter] on Amazon.com. *FREE* shipping on qualifying offers. Jane's Aircraft Recognition Guide Fifth Edition
www.amazon.com
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It's rather,,, almost vintage ? And simplistic...
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Jane's yearbooks are published, well, annually, and come out on a wide range of platforms and systems, see https://www.janes.com/publications/janes-defence-intelligence-yearbooks. You can get a feel for the contents in an excerpt at https://planesandstuff.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/awains.pdf. Brace yourself for sticker shock though, so I'd recommend to look for recent editions in libraries accessible to you.
 
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martinbayer said:
TheRejectionist said:
edwest2 said:
As far as I am concerned, Jane's publishes the best guides to military hardware. An example:

Jane's Aircraft Recognition Guide Fifth Edition: Gething, Michael J, Endres, Gunter: 9780061346194: Amazon.com: Books

Jane's Aircraft Recognition Guide Fifth Edition [Gething, Michael J, Endres, Gunter] on Amazon.com. *FREE* shipping on qualifying offers. Jane's Aircraft Recognition Guide Fifth Edition
www.amazon.com
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It's rather,,, almost vintage ? And simplistic...
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Jane's yearbooks are published, well, annually, and come out on a wide range of platforms and systems, see https://www.janes.com/publications/janes-defence-intelligence-yearbooks. You can get a feel for the contents in an excerpt at https://planesandstuff.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/awains.pdf. Brace yourself for sticker shock though, so I'd recommend to look for recent editions in libraries accessible to you.
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I gave a look at their site...why it looks like a DoD website?
 

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