Ivan Rogov class amphibious assault ship (Project 23900)

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The construction of the 2 Universal Landing Craft ( Helicopter carriers) was officially started at a ceremony today.

I haven't been following closely, and do not speak Russian, but indications out there suggest a design in the 20 000 to 25 000 ton range.
 
Well as France neither delivered the two Mistrals to Russia, they had to build their own to make up the numbers. Though seems the paln was from the beginnign that two were to be built in France and two in Russia. I wonder if Russia ever got their money back from France from not delivering them?
 
The construction of the 2 Universal Landing Craft ( Helicopter carriers) was officially started at a ceremony today.
What they are doing in this topic?
 
40% of the first 2 Mistral's were built in Russia at the Baltic Zavod shipyard, and mated together with the French built sections in France.
France returned the funds to Russia, who apparently made a profit in their local currency due to a currency devaluation at the time.
I don't think France was too much out of profit, as these vessels were sold on to Egypt... but I suspect Russia has come out of this deal rather well.
They got to see the Mistral design, built their 2 Mistral sections on time and within budget, and ended up with designing and now building their own Helicopter Carriers.
From what I can gather reading around, the Mistral purchases were primarily political in nature anyway.

Anyway, it will be interesting as further details of the design become known.
I think the design is known as the type 23900.
 
The construction of the 2 Universal Landing Craft ( Helicopter carriers) was officially started at a ceremony today.
What they are doing in this topic?
I looked around.
In this topic, the previous designs of this class or type of vessel (Priboy, Lavina, Projects 11780, 1120.0, 1123 .. etc) are mentioned and illustrated numerous times.
The only other thread that a search revealed was of the Vladivostok class (Mistral) which is different, so I decided against that.
Please feel free to move this to a more relevant thread.
EDIT: As these are now being constructed, I guess it belongs in the Current Military section?
 
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40% of the first 2 Mistral's were built in Russia at the Baltic Zavod shipyard, and mated together with the French built sections in France.
France returned the funds to Russia, who apparently made a profit in their local currency due to a currency devaluation at the time.
I don't think France was too much out of profit, as these vessels were sold on to Egypt... but I suspect Russia has come out of this deal rather well.
They got to see the Mistral design, built their 2 Mistral sections on time and within budget, and ended up with designing and now building their own Helicopter Carriers.
From what I can gather reading around, the Mistral purchases were primarily political in nature anyway.

Anyway, it will be interesting as further details of the design become known.
I think the design is known as the type 23900.

That's an understatement. Sarkozy, just like Trump, seemed to love Vlad Putin a little too much (facepalm). And then come François "gnéééééééé-éééé" Hollande, which screwed the deal.
 
Sigh.
This old chestnut again, fellows.....

Russia has already laid down two large Type 23900 Universal Amphibious Assault Ships.
These were laid down simultaneously on the 20th July 2020 in Zaliv, and both have names already.
Ivan Rogov and Mitrofan Moskalenko.
These are larger than the Mistral Class, with latest reports being they are in the region of about 30 000t plus.

This was widely reported on with news and videos of the event, with President Putin himself being there, gave a speech, and screwed the brass nameplates on himself at the ceremony.

It's been mentioned already on this very thread.
It's not exactly a secret, and the info is freely available out there, only a few clicks away and some basic searching.

Yantar has also laid down two Ivan Gren follow-ons, a larger, different design of about 9 000t.

In my analysis, there must be a sound reason Russia wants to keep Kuznetsov around, and it's shipborne fixed-wing aviation going.
These are dots that can be connected.

This does not mean that a new carrier is imminent. This is unknowable right now, except within the top Russian naval and political circles. I personally suspect post 2030 sometime, unless there is a further and rapid deterioration in global politics.
The only thing I wonder about is what form a new Russian carrier will take.

There has been sustained and easily verifiable reinvestment into Russian shipyards. There is a huge new modern shipyard, Zvezda, nearing completion in Vladivostok, and although slated to initially build very large vessels for oil and gas, it is owned by USC. It has already launched a 114 000t dwt tanker with facilities that were completed in the 1st phase of the shipyard construction, and will have the ability to construct ships up to 350 000t.
It is tailor made for a new carrier.
If Russia replaces Kuznetsov, it will build it herself. It will not buy a carrier from China when it simply doesn't need to.

So, not meant personally Kat Tsun, and with respect, but IMHO your analysis regarding vessel size of the surface fleet is demonstrably very, very wide off the mark. Miles wide.
 

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TBF, the original orders reported for many years were for 15,000 or 25,000 ton warships to be laid down in Crimea in 2017, to be laid down in May 2020, for a cost of about 40 billion RUB each. The Ivan Rogov's reported cost and construction start date fit both of those.

IIRC the 15,000 tonner was Nevsky's submission, and the 25,000 tonner is Krylov's. So it's not surprising that Nevsky would start throwing around a baby carrier for the Russian Navy, considering they just lost a major contract, but AFAIK the Priboy is not some giga LHD. And yes USC is perfectly capable of building large tankers. It's not really a question of if they could build it, it's more whether the Russian Navy wants it (they do) and whether the MOD is willing to foot the bill (they aren't). Why else drop Lider and the Storm?

One carrier is not a particularly substantial fighting force regardless. There's a reason the USSR built three Kuznetsovs after all. The point of Kuznetsov today is more to show that Russia is a "big country". A bit like how France has a Charles de Gaulle, it's more symbolic than practical, because Kuznetsov will be sitting in port most of the year (again, like CdG). Not to imply that there's anything wrong with that reasoning (diplomatic muscle has proven more useful than military muscle since few large countries have come to blows), but I don't think Kuznetsov's retention has anything to do with her performance as a combat ship fighting other navies.

The actual reasons are 1) to retain the skills of carrier operation in a naval air forces cadre, 2) to show the flag of Russia, 3) to fight, in that order.

I guess it's possible that Russia could be bringing back the Kherson or something, but it's a rather rapid turnaround after many years of wanting "basically Mistral". OTOH maybe Yevmenov managed to pull some strings after the Marines landed in Syria? That would be pretty dope.
 
23900 is allegedly ~40k tons from the latest leaks, though not a true carrier obviously. However it will be a good yardstick for the rest of the decade, and of Zaliv as a whole these days.

Only real other prospect is them getting more amibitous with military plans for Zvezda earlier this decade than I anticipate.
 
23900 is allegedly ~40k tons from the latest leaks, though not a true carrier obviously. However it will be a good yardstick for the rest of the decade, and of Zaliv as a whole these days.

Only real other prospect is them getting more amibitous with military plans for Zvezda earlier this decade than I anticipate.

do you know if this is the final design of the 23900 they are going with? (Ive seen several thus far)
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secondly, there's always been talk of Russia (I think MiG) was developing some kind of VTOL combat aircraft. Although given the state of Mig.. not sure if anything will ever materialize. They didnt even make a VTOL model at the last air show
 
23900 is allegedly ~40k tons from the latest leaks, though not a true carrier obviously. However it will be a good yardstick for the rest of the decade, and of Zaliv as a whole these days.

Only real other prospect is them getting more amibitous with military plans for Zvezda earlier this decade than I anticipate.

do you know if this is the final design of the 23900 they are going with? (Ive seen several thus far)
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secondly, there's always been talk of Russia (I think MiG) was developing some kind of VTOL combat aircraft. Although given the state of Mig.. not sure if anything will ever materialize. They didnt even make a VTOL model at the last air show

I think that is a smaller 15-25k design, the "40K" ship should be similar to this:

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Purely helo for the forseeable future.
 
Can someone tell me which is the final design for the Project 23900 LHD? Thanks.

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Can someone tell me which is the final design for the Project 23900 LHD? Thanks.
The final appearance of the ship has not yet been determined, and you are talking about landing vehicles!
BMMP and pr. 12061E 'Murena'
 

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A few Mistrals were supposed to be sold to Russian before the Invasion of Crimea
Four ships (Vladivostok and Sevastopol actually built in France while two additional sister ships to be built in Russia subsequently cancelled)
BTW, does anyone know the project code?, French Navy version is BP 210 while design tailored to Australian Navy LHD bid was BP 250.

By 2015 a couple of designs, Lavina (24 000 ton) by Krylov and Priboy (14 000 ton) by Nevskoy followed after contract cancellation. The final design Project 23900, already in construction under names Ivan Rogov and Mitrofan Moskalenko are much bigger (40 000 ton) and supposedly similar in configuration to the Mistral class.
 
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I would have thought it would have a modest skijump front as Russians prefer rolling takeoffs.
 
I would have thought it would have a modest skijump front as Russians prefer rolling takeoffs.

Russia has no STOVL aircraft to take advantage of a ramp.
 
I think they'll have a catapult, because they're supposed to be able to carry 4 S-70 UCAVs.

That's an odd idea. Without both cats and arresting engines, they would not be able to recover those rather large and expensive drones. I think the source for this item is likely mistaken.
 
Oh, those famous TASS sources from the next toilet cabin...
 
I was talking Russian helicopters that actually do love inclines btw.

Interesting. I think the intended aircraft here are all Kamov coaxial helos. I've never seen one do a rolling STO, but that doesn't mean it can't be done.

Probably not encouraged for the same reason you don't see ramps on US amphibs. The main mission is to load and launch an assault wave of multiple helos as quickly as possible, so maximizing deck spots is key.
 

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