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Offline Iranian F-14A

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Fairchild-Republic T-46A : the debacle of the NGT winner
« on: June 20, 2007, 04:08:25 pm »
Anyone have a 3-view of the T-46 Eaglet that was seleceted to replace the T-37?
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Re: Fairchild-Republic T-46A : the debacle of the NGT winner
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2007, 03:08:03 am »
I'll try to post the eaglet later

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Re: Fairchild-Republic T-46A : the debacle of the NGT winner
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2007, 03:47:42 pm »
Here's the T-46 as promised
Source is Flaps magazine number 282


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Re: Fairchild-Republic T-46A : the debacle of the NGT winner
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2007, 04:17:35 pm »
The T-46 was a good basic design ruined by excreable detail design work and feeble design fix/patch work.  I've heard stories from folk who were there and they make me shudder (also make me glad I didn't take their offer in 1982 and went west to Northrop instead).

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Re: Fairchild-Republic T-46A : the debacle of the NGT winner
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2008, 04:40:34 am »
Other NGT submissions (as in 1981) include General Dynamics M-210, Gulf Stream, Rockwell Nova (as already posted). I also include a Fairchild design concept looking like a mini A-10. 

Another competition of interest was VTX for a navy trainer to operate from aircraft carriers.

This Fairchild shape was one of 30 cnfigurations evaluated by the company
before arriving at the definitive T-46.


http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1985/1985%20-%201122.html
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Re: Fairchild-Republic T-46A : the debacle of the NGT winner
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2009, 12:41:31 pm »
NGT and T-46, the beginning of the end of the aerospace industry on Long Island

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Re: Fairchild-Republic T-46A : the debacle of the NGT winner
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2009, 04:51:12 am »
Nice cutaway from Global Flight and cockpit from US Cockpits: T-46


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Re: Fairchild-Republic T-46A : the debacle of the NGT winner
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2010, 02:32:46 pm »
4 pictures of the Fairchild T-46 at the SDASM Archives.
Link: http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=T-46&w=49487266%40N07
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Re: Fairchild-Republic T-46A : the debacle of the NGT winner
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2010, 01:12:57 pm »
The sub-scale demonstrator of the T-46A was the Rutan Aircraft Factory Model 73 built by Ames Industrial (previously posted by AeroFranz on November 28, 2010 in the old NGT/VTX topic):
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Re: Fairchild-Republic T-46A : the debacle of the NGT winner
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2010, 12:15:53 pm »
From an AvWeek article of July 12th 1982

FAIRCHILD WINS TRAINER AWARD

[...] Fairchild and Garrett were selected over Rockwell international and Cessna aircraft. Gulfstream american and Ensign aircraft Co. had been eliminated earlier for being non-responsive to the service's request for proposals. general Dynamics and a team of Vought corp. and RFB with the Fantrainer had removed themselves from the competition prior to the data submission date [...].

[...] "The three manufacturer's cost estimates and performance figures were relatively in line with each other, but Fairchild had a few factors that I believe had to have helped in getting the award" One Air Force officer said.
"The first one was that the company went the extra mile and had an outside contractor build a 62% scale flying model of its aircraft. When Fairchild submitted preliminary flight test data, it had some basis for its estimates, and not just a paper aircraft"

we know how well the scale model data and the full-size correlated  ;D

"The second factor was that fairchild's A-10 production is winding down in 1985, and the NGT production will fit in after that date, so they have the facilities and people available."

Rockwell, on the other had, had just picked up an order for 100 B-1Bs...
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Re: Fairchild-Republic T-46A : the debacle of the NGT winner
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2011, 08:07:54 am »
Does anyone know of a good source for the story of the trials and tribulations of the NGT program and the ultimate demise of Fairchild Republic?
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Re: Fairchild-Republic T-46A : the debacle of the NGT winner
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2011, 08:35:19 am »
Does anyone know of a good source for the story of the trials and tribulations of the NGT program and the ultimate demise of Fairchild Republic?

I have a few Aviation Week clippings from the period, which shed some light on the story, and also a good article somewhere but I need to find it...  :-\

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Re: Fairchild-Republic T-46A : the debacle of the NGT winner
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2011, 09:47:04 am »
Try 'The Thunder Factory', Joshua Stoff, Arms and Armour, 1990, ISBN 1-85409-040-2.


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« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2011, 12:28:50 pm »
Found and ordered, thanks!

Try 'The Thunder Factory', Joshua Stoff, Arms and Armour, 1990, ISBN 1-85409-040-2.
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Re: Fairchild-Republic T-46A : the debacle of the NGT winner
« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2011, 12:15:12 pm »
There's an excellent article in Wings/Airpower on the T-46 and the demise of Republic.  I happen to have that sort of unearthed so will look up the issue and post that info.

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