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Aerospace / Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Last post by PaulMM (Overscan) on Today at 02:27:26 am »
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Naval Projects / Re: 1973-74 Spansh Guided Missile Destroyer Project
« Last post by Tzoli on Today at 02:02:58 am »
The Canarias lasted 39 years in service, but this doesn't makes the world's longest career for any ship.

It was the Canarias. There are detailed drawings available. Are you interested?


Iran ordered a modified DDG Spruance Class design which was never delivered for political reasons, which were accepted for service with the US Navy as Kidd Class. In 2001 that ships were sold to the Republic of China. They remain in commission today (2018). Spanish Navy expressed interest in a ship of that design, not in the units to be delivered to Iran.

However the most ambitious naval plan for Spanish Armada under Franco Government was that from 1943. Totally out from reality.

I know both the Canarias carrier conversion aka Project 66 and the escort carrier of a cargo ship or passenger ship if I remember correctly as Project 65
Yes Franco's new Armada, 4 new modified Italian Littorio class Battleships, new light and heavy cruisers and a cruiser design trio with either 4 triple 203mm,, 3 twin 283 Scharnhorst cannon or two triple ex Espana 305mm cannons. Both indigenous Spanish designs and Italian Ansaldo export proposals were offered. Not to mention a new heavy destroyer class as well
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Early Aircraft Projects / Re: Martin Baker MB-3 and 4
« Last post by Foo Fighter on Today at 02:00:36 am »
Thank you.
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Hmmm??  ???

https://twitter.com/FG_STrim/status/1030407539345776640

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I've been skeptical such a project exists, but MiG CEO Ilya Tarasenko says the PAK DP (aka MiG-41), a high-speed MiG-31 replacement, is not "mythical" and will be "presented to the public soon."
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Alternative History and Future Speculation / Re: RN with F8 instead of F4
« Last post by zen on Today at 01:07:36 am »
I think an important aspect to remember is that the RN were very aware of the fact of how obsolescent the Sea Vixen was by the time it entered service.
They wanted the F4 with its advanced radar, Sparrows etc. and did not want to get stuck with another "old" sub-optimal interim aircraft.
And the blunt truth is that the F4 was significantly more advanced than the F8 and was also wanted by and bought for the RAF (who had no interest in the F8).
Apart from being the superior fleet defender the F4 was also so much easier to land on a carrier.
The decision to go for the F4 was also made in the expectation of operating from the follow-on UK aircraft carriers that were subsequently cancelled.
In the actual context of when the decision was made the F4 was a more logical choice.
While I appreciate the F8 as a fine aircraft and how one can be an enthusiast for a particular aircraft I think emotion may be clouding the arguments of some contributors.

So the first point here is if you want to discuss history, you're posting in the wrong section.
Second I agree that the F4 made enormous sense after the '63 Airdisplay by the Soviets showing their new large anti-ship missiles.
Hence not investing in what were thought more modern and superior aircraft to either F8 and the sainted F4.
Time had become critical and the F4 had enough future potential to put back the effort for wonder weapons.

Thirdly
It's actually the other way around as the FAA pushed for the F4 while the RAF stuck with the P1154 'Harrier' until '65.
Even then they afterwards tasked only 72 for MRI until the cheaper to operate Jaguar came into service.
FAA got stuck with the P1154 for the sake of commonality in imitation of the then US TFX concept.
It's not what they originally wanted which was OR.346, think TSR.2 navalised. .....

Fourthly
The context of any decision for the F8 is either:-
A less ambitious CV force. Such as focused on ASW with more limited fighter and offenaive systems.

Or that the F8 might be quicker to service.
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Naval Projects / Re: 1973-74 Spansh Guided Missile Destroyer Project
« Last post by pometablava on Today at 12:59:47 am »
The Canarias lasted 39 years in service, but this doesn't makes the world's longest career for any ship.

It was the Canarias. There are detailed drawings available. Are you interested?


Iran ordered a modified DDG Spruance Class design which was never delivered for political reasons, which were accepted for service with the US Navy as Kidd Class. In 2001 that ships were sold to the Republic of China. They remain in commission today (2018). Spanish Navy expressed interest in a ship of that design, not in the units to be delivered to Iran.

However the most ambitious naval plan for Spanish Armada under Franco Government was that from 1943. Totally out from reality.
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Naval Projects / Re: 1973-74 Spansh Guided Missile Destroyer Project
« Last post by Tzoli on Today at 12:47:26 am »
In the plan, the CL stated for "A Canarias cruiser replacement" which materialized into an intention to buy an USS Kidd class DDG.


See page 310
http://www.armada.mde.es/archivo/rgm/2012/08/cap06.pdf

The old Canarias cruiser, straight out of the Spanish civil war, lasted until the late 70's. This completely blew my mind. And dang, a Kidd class for Spain ? I thought they were for the Shah. Then again, Franco and his beloved Carrero Blanco wanted a powerful navy.

And designed in the late 1920's (1928 to be exact) as modified Counties. Though there were plans to rebuild it as a Light Carrier or was that Baleares?

If I remember correctly, after the Iranian Revolution the Kidds were offered to other countries as well, but in the ended up in US service.
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Postwar Aircraft Projects / Re: British Aerospace 'P.125'
« Last post by TsrJoe on Today at 12:32:32 am »
BAe. P.125
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Naval Projects / Re: 1973-74 Spansh Guided Missile Destroyer Project
« Last post by Archibald on Yesterday at 11:57:58 pm »
In the plan, the CL stated for "A Canarias cruiser replacement" which materialized into an intention to buy an USS Kidd class DDG.


See page 310
http://www.armada.mde.es/archivo/rgm/2012/08/cap06.pdf

The old Canarias cruiser, straight out of the Spanish civil war, lasted until the late 70's. This completely blew my mind. And dang, a Kidd class for Spain ? I thought they were for the Shah. Then again, Franco and his beloved Carrero Blanco wanted a powerful navy.
 
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