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Offline Abraham Gubler

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« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2010, 01:26:12 am »
Even after the merger McDonnell and Douglas were effectively separate agencies. You didn't buy fighters like the F-15, F-18, etc from McDonnell Douglas you brought them from the McDonnell Aircraft Company or "McAir" as it was known. So these aircraft kept their McDonnell naming tradition in the US Navy which was named for ghosts and the like. The F/A-18 is an exception because it is actually a Northrop aircraft which named its fighters for stingers therefore the Hornet. If the US Navy was to have brought something from the Long Beach, Douglas Aircraft Division of McDonnell Douglas then it could have been named the "sky-X".
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« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2010, 12:20:30 pm »
No the U.S Navy did not refer to its Tomcat's as Gargoyle
If I am correct, it would be a name used in the tradition of McDonnell naming its carrier-based fighter after a Gothic-type theme!
For example the McDonnell FH-1 Phantom, F2H Banshee, F3H Demon, F-101 Voodoo and the F-4 Phantom II
So the name Gargoyle may have been used by McDonnell Douglas as the name for its Model 225A, if it had won the VFX competition!

P.S. McDonnell did develop the LBD-1 Gargoyle guided missile

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Yes, that was exactly our intention. It was either that or Banshee II.  ;D (Figuring FH-1 Phantom ->F2H-1 Banshee ->F3H-1 Demon ->F4H-1 Phantom II ->F-x Banshee II) Gargoyle seemed appropriate, what with the six wings and such that this thing has.

Minus Grumman, which will keep 'Tomcat', we will have each plane having a unique name, naturally, though all will be 'F-14A something'

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« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2010, 01:26:23 pm »
Vought - got to be something in the Sea Wolf - Pirate - Corsair - Crusader - Cutlass theme. e.g. Buccaneer, Privateer, Sea Raider,  Freebooter, or Pirate II maybe?

Rockwell (North American) - something referencing the Fury I guess?

General Dynamics (Convair) - Vengeance II ? (After the Vultee Vengeance)

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« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2010, 02:32:04 pm »
Rockwell F-14A Nemesis (the goddess who was served by the 3 Furies)
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« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2010, 02:48:31 pm »
Vought - got to be something in the Sea Wolf - Pirate - Corsair - Crusader - Cutlass theme. e.g. Buccaneer, Privateer, Sea Raider,  Freebooter, or Pirate II maybe?

Rockwell (North American) - something referencing the Fury I guess?

General Dynamics (Convair) - Vengeance II ? (After the Vultee Vengeance)



Thanks, Overscan. What we had figured so far was this:

Grumman F-14A Tomcat (obviously)
McDonnell-Douglas F-14A Gargoyle
Vought F-14A Paladin (playing off the Crusader theme, with a possible 'Saladin' name for the IIRAF sale)
General Dynamics F-14A Vanguard (Vultee Vanguard, also "Vanguard of the fleet" sort of thing)

Rockwell's I can't remember what we were debating on off-hand.

I finally got some work done on the V-507, so here's a comparison of the current stage of the lineart of all five birds (this is the first time I've had all five together)
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« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2010, 08:15:43 pm »
And now...back to the grindstone, I have planes to draw.

A minor [really picky, sorry] point of order...

What timeframe is the combined drawing intended to depict?  The reason is that the company names and logos were in a state of in the late 1960s.  For instance:

North American Aviation merged with Rockwell Standard to form North American Rockwell in late 1967.

North American Rockwell merged with Rockwell Manufacturing to form Rockwell International in 1973.

So, the NR-323 should have the non-italicized "North American Rockwell" title.  The italicized "Rockwell" title dates from the late 90's after the name of "Rockwell International" was discarded.  The NAR/RI logo looks a little odd, the circle should be ever-so-slightly ovalized and the "hockey sticks" should be wider.

Grumman changed their logo from the "ball" to the "hatchet" in late July 1969 along with the name change from the Grumman Aircraft Engineering Company to Grumman Corporation.

(VFX contract award was in January 1969.)

HTH, and keep up the good work!
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« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2010, 08:55:59 pm »
That combined one with all the three-views was just an internal one for the artists to remember what they were going to be working on while we were discussing it, it wasn't intended to be released. We'll be doing various profiles detailing the planes from the 1970s through retirement in the early 2000s, including foreign sales. Don't worry, though, we know about the company changes.  ;D

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« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2010, 11:01:03 am »
Thought i posted this update by Talos to gather opinions on NAR323 loadout combination and their placement around the airframe. Right now only the semi-comformal stations for Sparrows are known. Don't ask us how the 20mm is suppose to be fired with the starboard lower Sparrow carried  ;D

Ideas please ? 

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« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2010, 11:53:40 am »
Thought i posted this update by Talos to gather opinions on NAR323 loadout combination and their placement around the airframe. Right now only the semi-comformal stations for Sparrows are known. Don't ask us how the 20mm is suppose to be fired with the starboard lower Sparrow carried  ;D

Ideas please ?  
Unlesss I'm severely mistaken the 20 mm was located in the lower middle of the fuselage. It's firing port would have been somewhat aft of the intakes, on the bottom of the plane, behind the forward landing gear.

In fact, if you check out reply #8 in the beginning of the thread, you can see it's location in one of the drawings.
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« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2010, 09:22:05 pm »
Thought i posted this update by Talos to gather opinions on NAR323 loadout combination and their placement around the airframe. Right now only the semi-comformal stations for Sparrows are known. Don't ask us how the 20mm is suppose to be fired with the starboard lower Sparrow carried  ;D

Ideas please ?  
Unlesss I'm severely mistaken the 20 mm was located in the lower middle of the fuselage. It's firing port would have been somewhat aft of the intakes, on the bottom of the plane, behind the forward landing gear.

In fact, if you check out reply #8 in the beginning of the thread, you can see it's location in one of the drawings.

It didn't look like that when I looked at the drawings in that reply. My interpretation was that the muzzle was in a divet on the starboard side of the fuselage, right in the 'corner'. But I can see how it would be closer to the centerline, though. All in all, it's just a low-resolution resource and hard to tell definitively without additional drawings/model shots.

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« Reply #25 on: January 31, 2010, 10:42:38 pm »
Enlarged pics. Looks like the ammo drum is on the centreline, the gun below it also on the centerline. Not sure though.
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« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2010, 02:31:35 pm »
It looks like you guys are missing the bumps on the top of the fuselage, near the wing trailing edge, that allow for clearance of MLG wheels. You can see them in the isometric see through drawing Overscan just posted. Other than that, it looks good.

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« Reply #27 on: February 01, 2010, 04:03:46 pm »
Traditional stabilizer+rudder fin that is folding? Seems backwards from the A-5 whole turning fin as realized (with an easy fold) or twin fin proposal (with no fold needed). Interesting mechanism that one there inside the fold, visible in the side cutaway...

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« Reply #28 on: February 01, 2010, 05:42:10 pm »
It looks like you guys are missing the bumps on the top of the fuselage, near the wing trailing edge, that allow for clearance of MLG wheels. You can see them in the isometric see through drawing Overscan just posted. Other than that, it looks good.

Don't worry, I just haven't added them yet!

At the moment I'm working on detailing the V-507.
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« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2010, 11:38:14 am »
Don't worry, I just haven't added them yet!

At the moment I'm working on detailing the V-507.

I wasn't sure how far along you were, I just wanted to point it out JIC. ;) They're looking really good so far. :)