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Offline borntokillagain

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« on: January 28, 2010, 09:37:19 pm »
Hey everyone,

Talos (from whatifmodelers), a few others and I are working on a series VFX profile drawings for each of the contenders involved. Attached are WIPs for the NAR and MDC designs for your viewing pleasure.

We would appreciate if anyone here could post some higher res versions the designs, particularly the GD Model 44 and NAR-323 as reference material for this project. Currently we are trying figure out details such like IFR probe placement, gun ports, vents and the like for each design.

Be sure to drop by at whatifmodelers.com to view some of the wonderful profile drawings our fellow members have posted there.  ;)




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« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2010, 10:11:51 pm »
Really beautiful work!

I presume you have Tony Buttler's American Secret Projects to hand? I don't have any additional materials on either of these designs over what is in there. Perhaps Tommy might have something.
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« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2010, 01:35:26 am »
Being on What If as well, I am extremely impatient to see the results of this beautiful project. Congratulations!

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« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2010, 04:53:58 am »
Very nice - thanks for posting and looking forward to the others!

Enjoy the Day! Mark

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« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2010, 05:15:50 pm »
Thanks for the comments :D All line drawings are done by our talented member Talos while the 225A profile is colored up by Coops.

I don't personally have a copy of the American Secret Projects book on hand and probably should get one.

Talos asked that i post the Grumman 303D as well so here it is.

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« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2010, 05:25:31 pm »
Talos (from whatifmodelers), a few others and I are working on a series VFX profile drawings for each of the contenders involved. Attached are WIPs for the NAR and MDC designs for your viewing pleasure.

Very neat.  What would be cool is if you did a comparison poster of side views and top views of all the contenders together.

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« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2010, 06:06:42 pm »
Glad you guys are enjoying the work on the VFX so far. I'm trying to keep it on the down-low until we're finished and present it over at What-If, but I suppose it'll be okay to talk about it over here.  :P

Anywho, yeah, I'm doing the lineart for all five birds, as well as coloring and shading the Grumman entry. A separate painter is doing each of the other four planes. I've modified the designs some from the original basic info I've found, such as the new canopies for the 225A, 303D, and 323, panel lining, and future upgrades (F110 and F100 engines, for instance).



blackstar, I don't intend to draw top views of them, since my primary focus is on profiles, but borntokillagain did throw together a quick picture of the basic three-views of all five planes.

And now...back to the grindstone, I have planes to draw.

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« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2010, 06:16:47 pm »
Cool stuff.  I do think that top views are important because the unique thing about these concepts was the swing wing, and you don't really see that from the side.

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« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2010, 06:39:50 pm »
Cool stuff.  I do think that top views are important because the unique thing about these concepts was the swing wing, and you don't really see that from the side.

True...it's just not my preference when I do color profiles like you'd see in a Squadron-Signal or Osprey book.

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« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2010, 08:17:08 pm »
Cool stuff.  I do think that top views are important because the unique thing about these concepts was the swing wing, and you don't really see that from the side.

...In total agreement here. You need all three views of a 3-view, regardless of "personal preference" in order to grasp the total shape of the vehicle in question.

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« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2010, 11:02:20 pm »
Cool stuff.  I do think that top views are important because the unique thing about these concepts was the swing wing, and you don't really see that from the side.

...In total agreement here. You need all three views of a 3-view, regardless of "personal preference" in order to grasp the total shape of the vehicle in question.

I know, I know.  ;D That's going beyond the scope of this initial project though. Right now it's just color profiles, like what you would see in the center color pages of Squadron-Signal's "McDonnell-Douglas F-14A Gargoyle in Action", etc. Eventually I would like to do full views of the birds, but that wasn't going to realistically happen at this time, since I have to draw, design, update, and detail five separate aircraft from scant resources. I'd rather get something out soon then take until 2012.  ;)

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« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2010, 12:23:24 am »
"Gargoyle"??? Is that a Navy nickname for the Tomcat??

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« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2010, 12:45:31 am »
No the U.S Navy did not refer to its Tomcat's as Gargoyle
If I am correct, it would be a name used in the tradition of McDonnell naming its carrier-based fighter after a Gothic-type theme!
For example the McDonnell FH-1 Phantom, F2H Banshee, F3H Demon, F-101 Voodoo and the F-4 Phantom II
So the name Gargoyle may have been used by McDonnell Douglas as the name for its Model 225A, if it had won the VFX competition!

P.S. McDonnell did develop the LBD-1 Gargoyle guided missile

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« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2010, 01:04:43 am »
I guess the name of the McDonnell Douglas F-14 could also have used Douglas military aircraft naming conventions with Sky in the name, like Douglas A2D Skyshark for example. Or maybe it could have been named for a bird of prey.
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« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2010, 01:08:59 am »
Not likely, as the fighter designing bit was McDonnell (St Louis).
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