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Offline hesham

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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2007, 07:50:54 am »



Thanks to you my dears.

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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2007, 10:39:30 am »
Hi,

In the Jets magazine they said that the Tupolev Tu-18 was developed
from Tu-72,can anyone confirm this Info ?.

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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2007, 07:26:28 am »
Hi,

In the Jets magazine they said that the Tupolev Tu-18 was developed
from Tu-72,can anyone confirm this Info ?.

According to "OKB Tupolev" by Gordon and Rigmant, Aircraft 72 and the Tu-18 are the same aircraft. "Tu-18 2 Nene-1" was the official designation of the 72 project, which was a jet version of Tupolev's Aircraft 69 (Tu-8). The 72/Tu-18 was abandoned at the design stage in favour of Aircraft 73, which ultimately became the Tu-14.

I can't scan just now but, if you're interested, an old Russian 3-view and cutaway profile of the 72 is included at page 133 of Bill Gunston's Putnam book, "Tupolev Aircraft since 1922".

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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2007, 11:21:55 am »


  Thanks.

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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2007, 04:02:43 am »
Hi,

Also I read that the Tupolev Tu-76 = Tu-32,that means there was a Tu-30
design,does anyone know it ?.

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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2007, 08:17:34 am »
Hi,

Also I read that the Tupolev Tu-76 = Tu-32,that means there was a Tu-30
design,does anyone know it ?.

According to Gordon & Rigmant in "OKB Tupolev", the official designation "Tu-30 4 Nene-1" was applied to Tupolev's 1947 project 77. This was to have been a high altitude, high speed bomber and reconnaissance aircraft. It was to have been powered by four RR Nene engines and resembled a long span Tu-14 with engines mounted in a similar style to the American B-45 Tornado. The project never proceeded beyond the proposal stage.

However, a note of caution - Bill Gunston's Putnam book on Tupolev Aircraft (and every other source that I can find) allocates the project number 77 to the Tu-12 jet development of the Tu-2 and doesn't mention the four Nene project or the Tu-30 at all.

I have not come across any drawings of the supposed Tu-30, but there is a photograph of a wooden model on page 130 of "OKB Tupolev" which I don't think that I can scan in as it's from a currently available book.

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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2007, 09:09:22 am »
Hmmm- I should point out that Mr Rigmant is the Tupolev archivist with complete access to OKB files, while Bill Gunston isn't. So in case of a dispute I'd go with Gordon & Rigmant.
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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #22 on: May 30, 2007, 09:44:48 am »
Thank you my friends,

And in Arabic magazine,they said that the Tu-160 was also
named Tu-32,I am not sure and may be they are wrong.
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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #23 on: May 30, 2007, 10:07:15 am »
Hmmm- I should point out that Mr Rigmant is the Tupolev archivist with complete access to OKB files, while Bill Gunston isn't. So in case of a dispute I'd go with Gordon & Rigmant.

Thanks - I should have know that, as Bill Gunston specifically refers to Vladimir Rigmant as the "former OKB archivist" in his introduction and thanks him for making available a "wealth of original material".

And I've just looked at the "OKB Tupolev" book again and I see that the photo of the 77/Tu-30 model is credited to "Tupolev PLC", so I think that I'd agree that Gordon & Rigmant are probably correct in their attribution of designations and their information on the Tu-30.

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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #24 on: May 31, 2007, 10:45:34 am »
Hi,

The Tupolev and its industrial partners have launched
Project 3000 aimed at boosting dispatch reliability and
utilisation rates for Tu-204,Tu-214,Tu-334 operators.

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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #25 on: June 21, 2007, 09:22:41 am »
Tu-80

Considered as deep modernization of Tu-4 (only one plane was built).

Year:             1948
Engine:          ASh-73 TKFN
Span:            43.58 m
Lenght:         34.32 m
Height:          8.91 m
Max speed:   598 km/h
Cruise:          458 km/h
Range:          7000-8000 km (calculated)
MTOW:         65400 kg
Armament:   10x23 mm
Bombs:         3000 (max 9000)
Crew: 11

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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #26 on: June 21, 2007, 09:26:41 am »
Tu-85

Developed Tu-80, appreciably bigger by size/weight/power. The last Russian big bomber with piston engine & straight (rectengular tapered) wings. Stated as "improved to possible excellence".

Year:            1950-1953
Engine:         ASh-2K  (VD-4k, TVD-022b)
Span:           55.939 m
Lenght:        39.31 m
Height:        10.58 m
Max speed:  585 km/h
Cruise:         460 km/h
Range:         12000 km
MTOW:        107225
Armament:   5x2x23 mm
Bombs:        2x FAB 9000 kg
Crew:          11
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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #27 on: June 21, 2007, 09:32:36 am »
Tu-504 - specially for Farloccus (I apologize for long delay) :)

Based on "85", developed strategic heavy bomber. As hydro-airplane, it was planned to be refueled from submarine, in order to reach USA coast and get back.

Year:           1950-1953
Engine:         ASh-2K (TVD-1)
Span:           56 m
Lenght:        44 m
Height:        12 m
Max speed:  580 km/h
Cruise            -
Range:         10000 km
MTOW:        104000 kg
Armament:  3x2x23 mm
Bombs:       1x 6000 kg
Crew:          12

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Sources for "80", "85", "504":

V. Rigmant, "Last Prop Bombers"
B. Gunston "Russian Aircraft 1875-1995
"Nevski Bastion" bulletin,  Vol.5
G. Petrov "Hydro-airplanes & Ekranoplanes of Russia, 1910-1994"

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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #28 on: June 21, 2007, 09:59:09 am »

What a surprise!

Many many thanks, Borovik!  ;D

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Re: Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
« Reply #29 on: June 21, 2007, 02:57:35 pm »
WOW! That flying boat is a new one to me! I have always been impressed by the evolutionary development that Tupolev did from the Tu-4 to the Tu-95.